I'd prefer it over what is in place now, but frankly I think all of the computer rankings are subject to inherent flaws due to the nature of having so many variables across the kickball landscape. Its just difficult to try and quantify and compare teams through math when every team plays a completel...

I bowed out of this conversation long ago because it seemed like no one was really listening, but since it has resurrected I will make a couple of points. 1) Not accounting for strength of schedule (or strength of overall field) at these tourneys is silly. Even the old CC points formula accounted fo...

I would worry more about the Rockstar Lifestyles and the Peninsula Pounders who have spent thousands of dollars on entrance fees already, only to be rewarded with a lower seed than any local team or social team that played a tourney last year. What kind of message does that send? It sends a bad mes...

If the rankings and subsequent seedings are pulled from Changer Banger's formula, then this is nothing more than power rankings. You can't even point at these and say they will sway something like a captain's vote so who cares how these results come out? Why does it matter if teams talk about their ...

Yup, having a max lineup would make it pretty simple.

Can you explain why 6 team pools are better? I thought 6 team pools is where the problem was because we only play 4 games. 5 team pools seem pretty cut and dry. Play everyone once and move on This has been done several times but I'll give a quick rundown here. Any given pool, be it 5 or 6 teams, ha...

I think having an Executive Committee determine seeds is a TERRIBLE idea. Too many people (even experts) are biased for many reasons such as: Reading mis-information on these boards, strong recency error where voters are forgetting any history beyond the most recent tournament, or most importantly p...

I like where the conversation has been going but I wanted to provide some feedback and throw additional ideas out for discussion. Although I'm not a huge fan of ever adding a "requirement" that teams must attend a certain # of events per year. I'm also not a fan of taking an average of 2 ...

I don't think anyone has a problem with how the seedings were done. The only issue I have is that in two pools the #2 and #3 seeds are not going to play each other (as currently structured). This means that those two teams have a huge advantage, not only within those pools, but also compared to the ...

However, another way to calculate points and still get teams to travel for earning points for a better CC seed would be to calculate the teams best 3 tournament appearances and drop all other in calculation. This would still get teams to go to more events cause they can better their score. If a tea...

Shane - In my method, there is no cake schedule really. The wildcard schedule is softer than in your version, but its more balanced all the way around for ALL 6 teams. As you can see the SOS is almost the same for all teams. That's how it should be. Anyone out there can look at the teams and see th...

The problem with the current setup, is there is a clear distinction between the caliber of the top 3 teams and the 4th team, and as currently constructed, the top team is playing two of the top three, while the others are only playing one. I'd rather be the 2 or 3 seed in that case. Basically the 1...

Well MK you can assume anything however I can tell you that the WC team in my pool doesn't suck lol. This is actually the only tourney that the seeds have been truly earned bc of tourney appearances and results instead of a caps vote. The top teams should have an SOS advantage. That would mean that...

So which is it? Respect the 1 seed or balance the schedule? And the SOS should deviate from easiest/highest number at the top of the pool to hardest/lowest number at the bottom. Exactly, Jon. I'd like to hear Bryant's response to this question. We've done it so many different ways in 6 team pools. ...

Exactly, Jon. I'd like to hear Bryant's response to this question. We've done it so many different ways in 6 team pools. Should the Wild Card team have an easier schedule than the 4 teams in the middle? There's no perfect way. At least the other way you have the top 4 with the same SOS. Honestly th...

Shane - In my method, there is no cake schedule really. The wildcard schedule is softer than in your version, but its more balanced all the way around for ALL 6 teams. As you can see the SOS is almost the same for all teams. That's how it should be. Anyone out there can look at the teams and see the...

So wait, you want the WC and the 1 seed in each pool to have the exact same strength of schedule? Shane - This is ridiculous. This gives the 2 and 3 seeds in those pools an easier schedule than the 1 seed. Why would the #1 seed fight all season to earn a 1 seed only to get a tougher schedule than t...

As of right now ... Team 1 - will play the #2, #3, #5, and #6 Seeds Team 2 - will play the #1, #4, #5, and #6 Seeds Team 3 - will play the #1, #4, #5, and #6 Seeds Team 4 - will play the #2, #3, #5, and #6 Seeds Team 5 - will play the #1, #2, #3, and #4 Seeds Team 6 (wildcard team) - will play the ...

As of right now ... Team 1 - will play the #2, #3, #5, and #6 Seeds Team 2 - will play the #1, #4, #5, and #6 Seeds Team 3 - will play the #1, #4, #5, and #6 Seeds Team 4 - will play the #2, #3, #5, and #6 Seeds Team 5 - will play the #1, #2, #3, and #4 Seeds Team 6 (wildcard team) - will play the ...

Pool rankings from strongest to weakest: POOL D POOL B POOL C POOL E POOL A (you could argue B and C are interchangeable, but I think B is a little tougher now that we know that ODB is a very good team) Overall, I believe this is the most competitive field I have seen in one tourney and a couple of ...

How will the 6-team pools work? You don't play your opposite seed I'm assuming?

Another big question will be whether there is a payout for these regionals or if you just get a qualifying bid for FC? If they have legitimate payouts, I could see these tourneys getting decent interest.

I'm a little confused here. Is the idea to shrink Founder's Cup to a much smaller number of teams? Or are they basically just allowing a way for 8 "open" super teams to get into the mix?

I did a snake seeding leaving out everyday entertainment bwcause i dont think theyll make it. 2 pools of 6, 3 pools of 5: Pool A Situation Sofa Whisky Richard Rockstar Lifestyle J-Cru STL Finest pool b NYSH JKI Deep Lock It Up Legit booty Oh Danny Balls pool c OSC Cobra Kai Lights Out MMS Negative ...

I think Edge put the bottom seed in with the top seed, the second from bottom in with the 2nd seed, and went from there. Like some kind of converging snake? Frankly, I feel that anything other than a traditional snake would be a disservice to all of us who played hard all season. We all earned our s...

NYSH 28-7-1 2 Circuit wins Elims 8-4 Quality Wins: (Situation, MMS, JKID, Cobra Kai, Shockwave x2, Deja Vu, OSC, LIU, Lights Out x2) Elimination Losses: (OSC x3, Shockwave) Pool Play Losses: (MMS, Deja Vu, BSB) Apparently, OSC was our nemesis this season, knocking us out of 3 of the 4 tourneys we d...

All of this is TBD until Player Registration has ended. All teams & players must be registered by October 1st. What I can share is this: - We will be using Pools of 5 - We will be playing on GRASS (No TURF) - We will be starting at 9am - We will be live streaming the entire day on WatchKickball...

If it is six pools of 5 (which would make sense at this point), Kolanko's post above would be accurate using a normal 6-pool snake.

The traditional pool of death (last pool) really would be the pool of death. Oh Danny's poor balls.

The fact is, he was clearly making an "active play" on the ball as defined in the rules. Some of you are acting like he was just set up there, waiting before the ball was thrown, when the reality is, the ball was already in the air when he sets his feet up on the baseline like that. It wa...

Crash said it best, at the end of the day its kickball. Everyone wants to win, but setting up a potential collision by not allowing the runner access to the base is wreckless and more times than not it probably results in one or more injuries. The ref called this 100% correct IMO. In baseball you c...

The fact is, he was clearly making an "active play" on the ball as defined in the rules. Some of you are acting like he was just set up there, waiting before the ball was thrown, when the reality is, the ball was already in the air when he sets his feet up on the baseline like that. It was...

Blocking the plate is not legal in the Circuit. That play was very dangerous considering Oakley forced contact with a female. Kickball is a coed sport. Play it like you'd want every guy to play against your girlfriend/wife. Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2 In my opinion, Oak was making an a...

I am surprised nobody brought up Oak's play against OSC, throw was coming to him as a female was sliding into the plate. I believe Oak was called for something and she was allowed to score. I had a long conversation with the umps after the game about the play and I still do not agree with them. We ...

So those plays were within the rules then? Doesn't appear the catcher goes outside the box until after the ball is kicked.

Note: I realize he may have been encroaching (tough to tell for sure) in the first play, but that isn't what is being discussed here.

I could be wrong, but I think they removed the front cone because of the change in the grey area rules which give a bunter as much or more of an advantage as a catcher running through that zone.

I think the problem is that, when they're able to take a super-wide angle, they're then able to run the ball to 1st and make an easy chest pass Does this actually happen? Video example, please. Closest example I have, but it's a semi bad bunt (Corey Holland forces bad bunts), but a great angle by J...

Besides, if a catcher really wants to own the line, even with cones in the front, they can simply line up behind the kicker on the right side of the box and run straight up the 3rd base line. This makes no sense to me. I think the problem is that, when they're able to take a super-wide angle, they'...

Putting the cones at the front won't really change much. I never see a catcher field a bunt right on the 3rd base line and try a chest pass from there. No one is taking that extreme of an angle outside of where the front cones would be. Besides, if a catcher really wants to own the line, even with c...

This thread has gotten completely ridiculous and should be locked.

My point is that the ref isn't even in the photos so he cannot see a damn thing where he is positioned and that is assuming he is looking for anything. Perhaps he should have moved, but even then he would have seen Oak and Ad-Rock doing the same thing all game. You even agreed with me at the field....