Shouldn't "Best Fwiends" fall of the provisional list since they haven't played since April of 2012? And I thought that Bad News Bears was still considered a provisional team since the one that played in GA was considered an availables team Just catching up here - Best Fwiends is now cons...

When this comes up for discussion in the off season I think we have more than enough material to go back to the original formula and fix this issue, for now it's pointless to complain. We know the issue, we know how to fix it, we just can't, or shouldn't change it mid season. Thanks, Dorsey. He's c...

Here youse folks go. Fifty-six teams are currently considered established. [tabs:Established] 1. MEATBALLS........................1889 2. OSC..............................1834 3. New York Shower Hammers..........1832 4. THE SITUATION....................1806 5. Sofa King Good...................1805 6...

Hi all, Apologies for the tardiness on this post. Fifty one teams are currently Established. Thanks for the heads up on the removal of Dragon Army and Los Brew Crew. There's been some talk about the similarities of Panik's score change from SFKO and Flying V's score change from GKO. It's been covere...

crAsh wrote:Legit PANIK Attack re: 8seed haha I don't even know why I would care ha but for a second.........!!!

LOL. Yeah, that's cause to crack open another beer.

All - Sorry for the delay in updating the ratings. It's taken me a bit longer to get caught up on life after 10 days on my honeymoon. However, please know that I'm making progress on it - FYSA, I have finished BoTW. Also, FYSA, Panik has dropped down to #8. To address a few of the questions/clarify ...

My biggest issue that is we soundly beat the team that beat OSC. However, with the new system it's not considered a quality win because we were susposed to beat them. This doesn't make sense to me - so beating the Stunnas is considered quality since they beat OSC earlier in the tourney? By extensio...

Here's a question I have. Shouldn't teams that we know no longer exist be taken out of the standings? Until a captain lets Admin (or perhaps someone else in the RC) know, they stay on. It's a lot easier to keep a team on too long than have to go back in time to dredge up previous versions of rankin...

Further, if anyone has feedback on the composition of some of the open/availables teams, that would greatly help out the derivation of seed ratings. Ideally, I'd like to get the number of people from each team on these open/availables teams. e.g. Rebels have 6 OSC, 2 NYSH, 4 LBC, etc. Something like...

Can we see the break downs like before? I'm assuming we lost 200 points for the pounders game and got 16 points for beating nysh. For Fully Loaded, where RF is Run Factor and RC is rating change - RF RC PP .933 -15 AP 2.031 +10 SB 2.500 +11 SITCH 1.400 +19 LO 1.200 +10 NYSH .926 +14 PA .629 -6

Hi all, As I sit here and wait to see if the DC area may actually get snow this year, I present to you the full 1-n list for the 4 Mar rankings release. A few notes on the this release - * We are up to 50 established teams with the inclusion of Bender Rehab, Gorilla Juice Heads, and Ninja Kitties (w...

A rolling ELO (game to game) would probably be a huge effort for Eddie and whoever else is doing the calcs. Unless there's some serious Excel wizardry going on. Yeah, it would take a decent amount of code. I think that I could do it, but it's not going to happen during the 2013 season. Zak - ELO's ...

Why would you put it in as a tie? The accuracy kick essentially awards the winning team a "run", because one more run is what is needed to win the game. The argument (that I didn't make up) goes a bit like this: you've got completely different rules in a shootout/accuracy kick competition...

Also of note, what do you we do with accuracy kick wins? I put it in as a tie, which actually hurt Sitch slightly as they were rated higher I've taken a peek at the computerized rankings used in other sports that have such different ways of resolving winners from game play - specifically, hockey an...

flades wrote:John I shit you not that the kid you tossed was back on the other sideline 30 minutes later wearing a FAKE MUSTACHE hahahahaha might have been the best part of the whole day when me and chaz noticed that

Bobby Valentine was watching kickball? Fantastic!

Great job, Kirk. Appreciate the effort at getting this up so soon afterwards. I mean, like btaylor, I also want to watch the Panik game... but I also don't want to cry...

When will we get to see how SFKO affected rankings? Will they be posted before every tournament or is it going to be behind the scenes? The expected release of the next update is 3 Mar. Updates will be public. In general, updated rankings will be released about a week or so after tournaments. Howev...

Re-posted again after the forum ate it. [tabs:Established Teams] 1. MEATBALLS............... 1857 2. OSC..................... 1829 3. THE SITUATION........... 1795 4. Sofa King Good.......... 1749 5. New York Shower Hammers. 1740 6. Flying V................ 1740 7. JKI Deep................ 1711 8. P...

Ah, I thoroughly enjoy analysis of who certain teams have beat as an argument for why Team A is better than Team B. As a quick peek through '12 results, I found the following with regards to, arguably, the top 8 teams at SFKO: Meatballs lost to JKI Deep JKI Deep lost to Shower Hammers Shower Hammers...

namssor wrote:That way people couldn't bitch about it being all about mindless computers.

Don't underestimate forum folks.

Anyone else get a bit of a chubby?

.... anyone?

... oh,... where's the cancel button on this post...

Any sort of update on the progress of this effort? As with others, I'm certainly interested to see what the numbers said.

Nice feature, Festa. If we give a hypotetical '26th' place vote to ballots that did not have a team on it, of the 21 teams from 5-25, 9 of them had a spread of 8+ spots from where they were voted highest to lowest. Seems to be a lot of disparate views in the community. And someone voted FL #15?!?!??...

I didn't see that link. Thanks, Zak/Festa!

Well, the Panel of "Experts" was planning on coming together anyway to rank the Circuit in 2013 - but since public demand is at an all-time high, we decided to get a jump on the season and release the Panel's Top 25 for the Preseason. I'd be curious to see what the spread of votes were - ...

Strengths to a forumla like this, making it to the finals and losing doesn't penalize you, but you do lose out on potential points. Pool play loss hurts more than losing in single elims. Pool play win is worth less than winning in single elims. Staggered approach so that the deeper you go in a tour...

Can you tell me where the Pounders and Balltrain2 were ranked and their ratings after SFKO? Please note that 31 teams were rated after SFKO. 16. Peninsula Pounders - 1493 30. Balltrain 2 - 1417 Re: Name changing Are you saying that if the Pounders showed up as a new (1500elo) team to PAKC they woul...

Sooo it would have made more sense for the Peninsula Pounders to change their name to Pounders of the Peninsula for the Pennsylvania tourney....so that they would have started at 1500 and then when they had the results they had--they would have actually moved up...? In this particular model run, if...

Interesting graph... Banger, question: the pounders were 68th after jax. The next tourney, pakc, we went 2-2-1, made the quarters, and had a big win over LIU... I would expect that we would've seen a slight bump based on those results. But according to the chart, we slipped to 71st. What drove that...

Dumb question maybe...S FL tourney...for example if JKI makes it out of pool play with wins, a tie, and a loss to let's say pounders (good imaginary win pounders bc it ain't happening!) then they win tourney beating Fl. Meatballs lose on other side of bracket. Or maybe we even beat meatballs by 1. ...

Here's something else that I thought that I would share. As has been stated, I'm doing several modeling runs, but I thought it would be helpful to see ratings/rankings in some level of context. I've taken statistics from five teams - Sitch, FL, Elm City, Foot Snipers, and the Pounders - and lined th...

Eddie, I'm pretty sure you either didn't read this response or willfully ignored it, so I'm going to repost it:.... I didn’t see Trey’s edit to his RPI defense post because he edited it after I had initially replied to it. I don’t make a practice of going back up to see something that I believe tha...

@Changer Banger can you speak on OT games and how, if any different, they're weighted. The BKO game that you guys had is a great example to bring up and I'll tell you where I'm at now, and where I could go. Where I'm at now: the methodology doesn't make any accommodations because the rules are the ...

Wouldn't we see a decrease/elimination of Pool of Death's under an accurate ranking/seeding system? I'm sure it may happen, but if we're implementing an accurate ranking system, I assume this may not be an issue? I don't believe so, actually. The fact of the matter is that so-called Pools of Death ...

Does the formula weight HOME TOURNEY wins/losses versus AWAY TOURNEY wins/losses? Neutral site matchups? A team at home should always be stronger than a team on the road. Too hard to get your entire squad to travel to each tourney. This might help with the "we had/they had" stuff. I guess...

Finally--why are there so many teams on this top 127 list that weren't in a Circuit tourney in 2012? I went back through each tourney and double checked all of the teams I had to delete and they, in fact, had never played in 2012. If it goes back to this "they have to be inactive for xyz amoun...

Is it possible to make a change to the formula that will give more points for each round of single elim, while not causing the losing teams to lose more points for each round of single elim? For example- Make it so a win in the sweet 16 gets you a little more of a bonus then a win in pool play, the...

Really? In response to everything he posted there you respond with this? You are basically saying "damn, he figured out a better idea then my flawed formula, I better just ignore this completely and respond about the only thing in treys post that I'm not completely wrong about" Actually, ...

In the interest of transparency, as suggested by multiple board members, below is a link to a PDF outlining how Fully Loaded went through last season. https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-nxEhRF3oalbzM5cjFBMG1qck0/edit I hope that this helps to illuminate some of the math and even offers potential idea...

Clearly I don't watch any NCAA basketball.

The point that you've missed is that there are multiple teams each season that are not selected that have a better RPI than those that are selected as at-larges.