[Circuit] Diagram Fair/Foul Fielder 10.6.2 (v.2011)

[admin]

See attachment.

[Zak]

So in image #4, where the fielder appears to be completely in fair territory, it's a foul ball if he doesn't hold on to the ball?

[JohnPWilks]

So wait, according to Diagram #4 if a fielder, who is completely in fair territory, touches a ball that is going foul, before it touches foul territory (between the 1st and 3rd line), it's a foul ball?

[2_easy]

Diagram 1 and 4 looks the same to me, with different outcomes.

[Zak]

Diagram 1 and 4 looks the same to me, with different outcomes.

look at the shadow of the ball in 1&4, in 1 it's on the foul line and 4 it's completely foul

[JellyDogg]

It's baseball/softball rules. The position of the player is irrelevant. The position of the ball is all that matters. In image 1, the ball is partially over the line when touched by the fielder, which makes it fair. In image 4, the ball is completely in foul territory when touched by the fielder, which makes it foul.

[2_easy]

Diagram 1 and 4 looks the same to me, with different outcomes.

look at the shadow of the ball in 1&4, in 1 it's on the foul line and 4 it's completely foul

So basically it stating it is not where your feet are, it's the position of the ball when you touch it!

In that case, Diagram 10.6.2 contradicts Diagram 10.2.1.

The shadow indicates the outside of the ball (not the beef of the ball) is on the foul line and it is called fair. However in Diagram 10.2.1 it shows that the beef of the ball (not the outside of the ball) must be on the foul line to be called fair.

[JellyDogg]

So basically it stating it is not where your feet are, it's the position of the ball when you touch it!

In that case, Diagram 10.6.2 contradicts Diagram 10.2.1.

The shadow indicates the outside of the ball (not the beef of the ball) is on the foul line and it is called fair. However in Diagram 10.2.1 it shows that the beef of the ball (not the outside of the ball) must be on the foul line to be called fair.

If the ball is on the ground (10.2.1), it is foul if it is touching only foul territory. In order to be fair, the ball must be touching fair territory. In 10.6.2, the ball is in the air, at which point the entire ball must be in foul territory to be foul.

[2_easy]

So basically it stating it is not where your feet are, it's the position of the ball when you touch it!

In that case, Diagram 10.6.2 contradicts Diagram 10.2.1.

The shadow indicates the outside of the ball (not the beef of the ball) is on the foul line and it is called fair. However in Diagram 10.2.1 it shows that the beef of the ball (not the outside of the ball) must be on the foul line to be called fair.

If the ball is on the ground (10.2.1), it is foul if it is touching only foul territory. In order to be fair, the ball must be touching fair territory. In 10.6.2, the ball is in the air, at which point the entire ball must be in foul territory to be foul.

Should be the same! What if the ball squishes and the outside of the ball hits the line? Then the diagram is wrong.

[JellyDogg]

Should be the same! What if the ball squishes and the outside of the ball hits the line? Then the diagram is wrong.

If any part of the ball touches the line it is a fair ball.

[Zak]

So basically it stating it is not where your feet are, it's the position of the ball when you touch it!

In that case, Diagram 10.6.2 contradicts Diagram 10.2.1.

The shadow indicates the outside of the ball (not the beef of the ball) is on the foul line and it is called fair. However in Diagram 10.2.1 it shows that the beef of the ball (not the outside of the ball) must be on the foul line to be called fair.

If the ball is on the ground (10.2.1), it is foul if it is touching only foul territory. In order to be fair, the ball must be touching fair territory. In 10.6.2, the ball is in the air, at which point the entire ball must be in foul territory to be foul.

So the ball is foul in part 4 of this diagram, regardless of the fact that it last touched ground in fair territory and the fielder is in fair territory, since the ball is in the air foul, it's foul

[JellyDogg]

So the ball is foul in part 4 of this diagram, regardless of the fact that it last touched ground in fair territory and the fielder is in fair territory, since the ball is in the air foul, it's foul

Correct. There is also no more "launch" rule.

[2_easy]

So the ball is foul in part 4 of this diagram, regardless of the fact that it last touched ground in fair territory and the fielder is in fair territory, since the ball is in the air foul, it's foul

Correct. There is also no more "launch" rule.

This I like! Now you can dive for a ball in foul territory and not worry about where your feet left.