[Rules] Clarification regarding Transfer Rule

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FYSA

To clarify, if a team does not register for The Circuit within 30 days of a Circuit Event, it is considered an availables team for that event only for the purposes of the one-transfer rule. Any players from registered Circuit Teams who played on that team will not be considered to have used their one (1) transfer, even if that team registers for the Circuit more than 30 days after that Circuit Event.

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[antw00]

If not registered after 30, team forfeits all points from that event, right? Meaning the team can't register in Sept and be retroactively awarded points

[The Scorekeeper]

If not registered after 30, team forfeits all points from that event, right? Meaning the team can't register in Sept and be retroactively awarded points

correct. so, if foot snipers attends jax, harrisburg, and dc but does not register within 30 days of any of them, but decide to register after, say, vbko, they only get the points for the vbko tourney (since afaik you're not planning on attending any of the other august or september tournaments) and not jax, harrisburg, or dc. they will have been considered "availables" teams for all of those other events, and any players from any other teams that played with them will be free to return to their previous team, or go on to another team, without penalty. it also means that for cc, if foot snipers choose to go, they'll be ranked very low due to lack of attendance points. even though they will have attended 4 events as a team, for circuit consideration they will have only attended 1.

[mtcoup]

That makes sense about points, but what about the transfer rule?

Take Snipers for example, if player A plays with an unregistered Snipers for Jax and Harrisburg, then plays ATL with a registered team, then Snipers registered after ATL to get the points from Jax/HBG, what happens to player A?

I'm assuming he has transferred from Snipers to the team he played ATL with, correct? Or does the fact that Snipers wasn't registered at the time of the ATL tourney come into play?

We have players who are part of other circuit teams on our roster this season. It would be good to know in case Snipers chooses to register.

I guess I'm asking if the "date of the tournament" or the "date of team register" is the basis for the transfer rule.

[JellyDogg]

That makes sense about points, but what about the transfer rule?

Take Snipers for example, if player A plays with an unregistered Snipers for Jax and Harrisburg, then plays ATL with a registered team, then Snipers registered after ATL to get the points from Jax/HBG, what happens to player A?

I'm assuming he has transferred from Snipers to the team he played ATL with, correct? Or does the fact that Snipers wasn't registered at the time of the ATL tourney come into play?

We have players who are part of other circuit teams on our roster this season. It would be good to know in case Snipers chooses to register.

I guess I'm asking if the "date of the tournament" or the "date of team register" is the basis for the transfer rule.

If a player (JC, for example) plays with you in Harrisburg, then with Panik in Atlanta, it doesn't really matter the timing of your registration. If both teams ultimately register within 30 days of Harrisburg, JC will have used his 1 transfer to go from Snipers to Panik (because he played for Snipers first, then Panik).

[mtcoup]

That makes sense about points, but what about the transfer rule?

Take Snipers for example, if player A plays with an unregistered Snipers for Jax and Harrisburg, then plays ATL with a registered team, then Snipers registered after ATL to get the points from Jax/HBG, what happens to player A?

I'm assuming he has transferred from Snipers to the team he played ATL with, correct? Or does the fact that Snipers wasn't registered at the time of the ATL tourney come into play?

We have players who are part of other circuit teams on our roster this season. It would be good to know in case Snipers chooses to register.

I guess I'm asking if the "date of the tournament" or the "date of team register" is the basis for the transfer rule.

If a player (JC, for example) plays with you in Harrisburg, then with Panik in Atlanta, it doesn't really matter the timing of your registration. If both teams ultimately register within 30 days of Harrisburg, JC will have used his 1 transfer to go from Snipers to Panik (because he played for Snipers first, then Panik).

Thanks JD. My assumption was the same, that it was based on tournament and not on registration date.

I just want to make sure I'm clear on how transfers work.

But what if PA was already registered beforehand, would that change anything if Snipers registered? Even though JC hasn't technically played a tourney with PA, would the fact that PA is already a registered team matter? (They are not, but it goes along with the example)

[JellyDogg]

Thanks JD. My assumption was the same, that it was based on tournament and not on registration date.

I just want to make sure I'm clear on how transfers work.

But what if PA was already registered beforehand, would that change anything if Snipers registered? Even though JC hasn't technically played a tourney with PA, would the fact that PA is already a registered team matter? (They are not, but it goes along with the example)

That's a good question. It wouldn't matter so long as JC wasn't a registered player on that team yet, that part is for sure.

The part I'm not clear on would be if he were listed on Panik's roster, would he be considered their player even if they hadn't played a single game yet? My initial thought would be no, that at the very least the team will have had to play in a tourney before he's "officially" theirs. That's just my interpretation, though, which could be wrong.

[mtcoup]

Yea, that's where I'm confused too. Does the date the team registers matter or is the date of the tournament more important? From what I see, a player can play with an unregistered team that registers later, but in between an event, (s)he has the ability to play for a registered team too.

If the second team registers, what happens to the player? Technically the player could have played with two teams and already transferred back and forth within the 30 day time limit.

Maybe I'm just looking too far into this, but I don't think it's as black and white as we first thought. For instance, take the following timeline:

Team A registers as a circuit team and plays event 1. Player is not on roster.
Team B plays in event 2. Player is on roster.
Team B plays in event 3. Player is on roster.
Team A plays in event 4. Player is on roster and on now on Team A circuit roster.
Team B registers as a circuit team within 30 days of event 2 to receive circuit points. Player is on roster.

Where does the player end up? In this example the player was not on a circuit roster when events 2 and 3 happened, but 30 days later, (s)he technically was. So does the fact that (s)he played in event 4 with a known registered team result in a transfer from Team B to Team A? Or does the fact that Team B didn't register until after Event 4 reverse the transfer?

I think this is a likely scenario now that we have a quicker tournament turnaround. (I'm not saying this is a problem, I'm just curious as to how this plays out)

[JellyDogg]

In that scenario, the player would be on Team A, having transferred from Team B. Technically, the first Circuit roster the player was on was in Event 2 (Team B registered within 30 days, so essentially the registration is retroactive to this point). The player then "transferred" to Team A in Event 4.

[mtcoup]

That's what I thought too. I had a conversation with some others recently where that scenario became a pretty good debate.

Is that an interpretation or in fact the rule?

[JellyDogg]

That's the rule.




I think. (Paging Shane...)

[Trey it Up]

That is the rule. JC wouldn't be a Sniper if there was any conceivable scenario where he couldn't transfer to Panik.

[mtcoup]

Agreed. In the case of JC, it wouldn't even come to that. As soon as PA plays, no matter the circumstances, he's on Panik. He's played on no registered teams thus far and even if Snipers registered, he'd make his transfer to PA then.

My confusion on the rule is basically the "30 day register window" for teams and how that plays into the transfer rule. While the example I stated above should transfer the player to Team A after event 4, I think you could easily write a scenario where the player overlaps even more so than between 2 teams in 4 events.

I've been curious about the transfer rule for awhile now.

[sduncan]

Coup, you mean in a situation like this:

Team A is a registered team and plays in event 1. Player is on roster.
Team C is a registered team and plays in event 1. Player is not on roster.
Team A plays in event 2. Player is on roster.
Team B plays in event 2. Player is not on roster.
Team A plays in event 3. Player is not on roster.
Team B plays in event 3. Player in on roster.
Team C plays in event 4. Player is on roster. (Player officially transfers from Team A to Team C with this move)
Within in 30 days of Event 3 (but after Event 4) Team B registers for the circuit.

What team does the player have to finish the season on?

[JellyDogg]

The 30 days is just a grace period... like buying something on your credit card. You've owned it the whole time, even though you didn't actually shell out the money until the end of the month.

[mtcoup]

Coup, you mean in a situation like this:

Team A is a registered team and plays in event 1. Player is on roster.
Team C is a registered team and plays in event 1. Player is not on roster.
Team A plays in event 2. Player is on roster.
Team B plays in event 2. Player is not on roster.
Team A plays in event 3. Player is not on roster.
Team B plays in event 3. Player in on roster.
Team C plays in event 4. Player is on roster. (Player officially transfers from Team A to Team C with this move)
Within in 30 days of Event 3 (but after Event 4) Team B registers for the circuit.

What team does the player have to finish the season on?

Yea, something like that. I guess I'm saying that nothing is really keeping a player from signing up for other rosters during that 30 day period. I think a player could fly under the radar.

The 30 days is just a grace period... like buying something on your credit card. You've owned it the whole time, even though you didn't actually shell out the money until the end of the month.

Makes sense. If you plan to register within the time limit, you're a circuit team and the transfer rules apply to you.

[krabbas]

So conceivably, Scott, who started out with the Pounders for SFKO and JAX, could play for the Snipers in Harrisburg, and then the Sitch (already registered) in ATL the following weekend. Then what happens if the Snipers register after 6/16? Scott would then have been on 3 registered teams within 2012.

Not that I care whether or not that happens. But just for the case of discussion.

Also, in this scenario, would the Snipers have to pay the $50 transfer fee upon registering?

(I used real names and teams for the purpose of being clear. I was getting confused with the Team A, Team B, Player X stuff. I suck at algebra)

[Zak]

So conceivably, Appletini,:lol: who started out with the Pounders for SFKO and JAX, could play for the Snipers in Harrisburg, and then the Sitch (already registered) in ATL the following weekend. Then what happens if the Snipers register after 6/16? Scott would then have been on 3 registered teams within 2012.

Not that I care whether or not that happens. But just for the case of discussion.

Also, in this scenario, would the Snipers have to pay the $50 transfer fee upon registering?

(I used real names and teams for the purpose of being clear. I was getting confused with the Team A, Team B, Player X stuff. I suck at algebra)

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[mtcoup]

No worries on using names, but yea, that's along the lines of what I was referring to. In the case of Scott, he could end up playing with three registered teams in the span of 3 events and 30 days due to Snipers using the 30 day waiting period to register.

This will NOT happen though as Scott is NOT playing with Snipers in HBG, but it is a good example of what I think could happen.

[krabbas]

No worries on using names, but yea, that's along the lines of what I was referring to. In the case of Scott, he could end up playing with three registered teams in the span of 3 events and 30 days due to Snipers using the 30 day waiting period to register.

This will NOT happen though as Scott is NOT playing with Snipers in HBG, but it is a good example of what I think could happen.

For sure. I was using real names, but it was definitely hypothetical. Scott was saying this weekend that he might actually come up to PA to ref.

[antw00]

No worries on using names, but yea, that's along the lines of what I was referring to. In the case of Scott, he could end up playing with three registered teams in the span of 3 events and 30 days due to Snipers using the 30 day waiting period to register.

This will NOT happen though as Scott is NOT playing with Snipers in HBG, but it is a good example of what I think could happen.

For sure. I was using real names, but it was definitely hypothetical. Scott was saying this weekend that he might actually come up to PA to ref.

in Duncan's case, I think he would be stuck on FS roster.
PA=Panik Attack
HBG=Pennsylvania

[Dematas]

What's the 2013 transfer rule, anyone know offhand?

[mtcoup]

What's the 2013 transfer rule, anyone know offhand?

To my knowledge, it's the same. You get one registered transfer per circuit tournament season.

[Dematas]

What's the 2013 transfer rule, anyone know offhand?

To my knowledge, it's the same. You get one registered transfer per circuit tournament season.

Thanks. So if two teams are registered for the circuit., player A plays in SFO for one registered circuit team. If that player A plays for another team that is registered for the circuit, they have to play for that second team and cannot go back to the team they played with at SFKO?

[mtcoup]

What's the 2013 transfer rule, anyone know offhand?

To my knowledge, it's the same. You get one registered transfer per circuit tournament season.

Thanks. So if two teams are registered for the circuit., player A plays in SFO for one registered circuit team. If that player A plays for another team that is registered for the circuit, they have to play for that second team and cannot go back to the team they played with at SFKO?

Yep, that's how I've always understood it. For example, Jimmy "dreamkiller" Wilcox played with Situation in Atlanta and JKI(D) in Austin. So he has technically transferred from Sitch to JKI and has used his lone transfer. So he's locked into playing with JKI for the remainder of the season.

[Nola Kickball]

That's not entirely accurate. Page 17 states you can transfer back to your original team upon approval of the rules committee. No 2nd player transfers will automatically be approved.


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[Kolanko_25]

What's the 2013 transfer rule, anyone know offhand?

To my knowledge, it's the same. You get one registered transfer per circuit tournament season.

Thanks. So if two teams are registered for the circuit., player A plays in SFO for one registered circuit team. If that player A plays for another team that is registered for the circuit, they have to play for that second team and cannot go back to the team they played with at SFKO?

Yep, that's how I've always understood it. For example, Jimmy "dreamkiller" Wilcox played with Situation in Atlanta and JKI(D) in Austin. So he has technically transferred from Sitch to JKI and has used his lone transfer. So he's locked into playing with JKI for the remainder of the season.

Unless the player emails the rules committe to request a transfer back to his/her original circuit team and is approved.

Dematas was that your scenario from LIU to El Guapo and back to LIU last year or did you not play with LIU prior to EG?

[JellyDogg]

1 transfer. It's best not to assume a 2nd transfer will be granted. I would assume a reason would be required to approve that 2nd move.

[Dematas]

Dematas was that your scenario from LIU to El Guapo and back to LIU last year or did you not play with LIU prior to EG?

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That was not my scenario. El Guapo wasn't a registered circuit team when I played with them in Diego and they told me they were not going to register. I guess things changed or whatever. Either way, I would have played with El Guapo in NOLA if that is what I had to do.

[mtcoup]

Yea, I agree with Jellydog here. You can ask the committee, but how often is that going to be approved? I wouldn't take any chances and would advise all players to do the same.

[Dematas]

Thanks for the help all.

[FlyingV]

To help clarify my situation (since you will most likely see Guapo at Circuit Cup).

Guapo will not be registering after LSKO. Each team has 30 days to claim points from their last tournament. WHEN Guapo plays in their next tournament, and registers to claim those points, THAT roster will be the starting point for when Guapo becomes a Circuit team. Anything before them registering is just like playing on an open or availables team.

This is also what Dematas did last year...

[kwido03]

What's the 2013 transfer rule, anyone know offhand?

To my knowledge, it's the same. You get one registered transfer per circuit tournament season.

Thanks. So if two teams are registered for the circuit., player A plays in SFO for one registered circuit team. If that player A plays for another team that is registered for the circuit, they have to play for that second team and cannot go back to the team they played with at SFKO?

Yep, that's how I've always understood it. For example, Jimmy "dreamkiller" Wilcox played with Situation in Atlanta and JKI(D) in Austin. So he has technically transferred from Sitch to JKI and has used his lone transfer. So he's locked into playing with JKI for the remainder of the season.

Please explain dreamkiller for me.

[sduncan]

What's the 2013 transfer rule, anyone know offhand?

To my knowledge, it's the same. You get one registered transfer per circuit tournament season.

Thanks. So if two teams are registered for the circuit., player A plays in SFO for one registered circuit team. If that player A plays for another team that is registered for the circuit, they have to play for that second team and cannot go back to the team they played with at SFKO?

Yep, that's how I've always understood it. For example, Jimmy "dreamkiller" Wilcox played with Situation in Atlanta and JKI(D) in Austin. So he has technically transferred from Sitch to JKI and has used his lone transfer. So he's locked into playing with JKI for the remainder of the season.

Please explain dreamkiller for me.

That's his name on the boards....??? You'll have to ask him that yourself, we all call him Harry Potter

[mtcoup]

Supposedly, from stories I've heard, Jimmy had a track record of being "the competitive one" on a social team. I'm sure no shoes could pry clarify more, but I know last season on Snipers we referenced the nickname a ton.

[btaylor]

Im fairly certain you are allowed more than 1 transfer now but im sitting in the airport for a flight that was supposed to take off an hour ago. Only another hour of waiting left though....:(:-(

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[Dream Killer]

Please explain dreamkiller for me.

To clarify, this nick name came into play when I first joined the Foot Snipers. I joined them after they had won the winter WAKA season in our local league. Apparently, when I came onto the team along with a few others that I normally played with, some of the current players were not invited to return and I later discovered at the bar, the these few individual apparently received word that when I came onto the team, I somehow cut them (even though I was in no way shape or form the captain, nor did I even know they were intended to be on the roster). So inside joke became that I killed their dreams of playing on a Virginia Beach circuit team.

I am competative and tend to only play on nights that have competative teams, but I don't know about any track record. I think Matt may have me confused here unless your referencing back to sunday funday like 5 years ago. I don't think I've played on many social teams since unless it was with sunday funday sitch players or WAAR a couple years ago with sitch players.

[kwido03]

Please explain dreamkiller for me.

To clarify, this nick name came into play when I first joined the Foot Snipers. I joined them after they had won the winter WAKA season in our local league. Apparently, when I came onto the team along with a few others that I normally played with, some of the current players were not invited to return and I later discovered at the bar, the these few individual apparently received word that when I came onto the team, I somehow cut them (even though I was in no way shape or form the captain, nor did I even know they were intended to be on the roster). So inside joke became that I killed their dreams of playing on a Virginia Beach circuit team.

I am competative and tend to only play on nights that have competative teams, but I don't know about any track record. I think Matt may have me confused here unless your referencing back to sunday funday like 5 years ago. I don't think I've played on many social teams since unless it was with sunday funday sitch players or WAAR a couple years ago with sitch players.

Will you be making cuts on JKI as well?

[Catch-22]

Please explain dreamkiller for me.

To clarify, this nick name came into play when I first joined the Foot Snipers. I joined them after they had won the winter WAKA season in our local league. Apparently, when I came onto the team along with a few others that I normally played with, some of the current players were not invited to return and I later discovered at the bar, the these few individual apparently received word that when I came onto the team, I somehow cut them (even though I was in no way shape or form the captain, nor did I even know they were intended to be on the roster). So inside joke became that I killed their dreams of playing on a Virginia Beach circuit team.

I am competative and tend to only play on nights that have competative teams, but I don't know about any track record. I think Matt may have me confused here unless your referencing back to sunday funday like 5 years ago. I don't think I've played on many social teams since unless it was with sunday funday sitch players or WAAR a couple years ago with sitch players.

Will you be making cuts on JKI as well?

Yeah, he cut all the Balls Deeper guys.

[mtcoup]

Please explain dreamkiller for me.

To clarify, this nick name came into play when I first joined the Foot Snipers. I joined them after they had won the winter WAKA season in our local league. Apparently, when I came onto the team along with a few others that I normally played with, some of the current players were not invited to return and I later discovered at the bar, the these few individual apparently received word that when I came onto the team, I somehow cut them (even though I was in no way shape or form the captain, nor did I even know they were intended to be on the roster). So inside joke became that I killed their dreams of playing on a Virginia Beach circuit team.

I am competative and tend to only play on nights that have competative teams, but I don't know about any track record. I think Matt may have me confused here unless your referencing back to sunday funday like 5 years ago. I don't think I've played on many social teams since unless it was with sunday funday sitch players or WAAR a couple years ago with sitch players.

Ah yes, you're right. I completely forgot about that. Killin' the dreams of former Foot Sniper hopefuls.

My assumption was past Peninsula seasons as I see most of those teams as social with competitive players sprinkled in (see the team I'm on this season).