Quick Rule Clarification

[chipadelphia]

Situation: 1 out. Runner on Third.

The kicker kicks a ground ball straight to 1st base but doesn't even run to the base, he runs across the plate back to his bench (third base side) well out of the base line. The first baseman steps on first THEN the kickers team yells to run it out and he crosses back across the plate to run to first. Meanwhile the runner on third begins to run home and the first baseman makes the throw home, the kicker has almost gets hit by the ball and then there is no play at home, the runner scores.


Should the runner from third have to go back to third or does the play, play out?

Just curious...Dematas and Fat Guapo can fill you in on details as well.

[Festa]

So the question is... can a player who is already out, interfere with the play?

[Duff]

Interference, dead ball, runner goes back to third.

[dp3]

What Chip means is similar to what happens at 2:38 of this:

http://vimeo.com/45417939

[chipadelphia]

I am not complaining or trying to start anything with anyone. I only want clarification on the rule. No names/teams need to be mentioned because they did the right thing and played the play out and left it in the referee's hands.

[FlyingV]

Interference, dead ball, runner goes back to third.

Similar play happened to us at GKO and what Duff said is the ruling made against us by JPW, which was the correct call.

Runner on 2nd and 3rd, kicker pulls one down 1st base line. Frustrated he runs it out but gets a piece of the 1B on his way through the bag. Run had already scored when he hit the 1B but they sent the runners back and no runs scored.

This was the 1st time I'd seen a play like this happen and this call made. That video clip is a little more bush league IMO.

[chipadelphia]

In our situation, the kicker didn't make contact with anyone or the ball, they had run to the bench and then back across and had to avoid the ball. Nothing was intentional.

[JohnPWilks]

In our situation, the kicker didn't make contact with anyone or the ball, they had run to the bench and then back across and had to avoid the ball. Nothing was intentional.

Here's my question, did the runner start running to first AFTER the fielder stepped on the bag or before. Because if it's before, I wouldn't have called anything, unless there was a move directly made to alter the fielders throw. It is hard to determine solely on the way the question is worded. If the kicker intentionally interferes, with either the fielder or the ball, and made any contact, then yes offensive interference, runner goes back to 3rd.

In the video, I agree that it was bush league and I would of forced everyone to return to their base had anyone moved.

[Duff]

What Chip means is similar to what happens at 2:38 of this:

http://vimeo.com/45417939

LOL, that isn't even grey territory. He walks into the baseline and puts his arms up in a weak attempt to act like he's not trying to interfere. He should have just crawled off the field after he fell on his ass.

I know Chip's situation is slightly different, but in regards to his scenario, the kicker can't run over to the sidelines until the ball is dead (unless he wants to take a hard right out of play I suppose). Just because the play is over for him, it doesn't mean the play is over for everyone else.

[sduncan]

Interference, dead ball, runner goes back to third.

Similar play happened to us at GKO and what Duff said is the ruling made against us by JPW, which was the correct call.

Runner on 2nd and 3rd, kicker pulls one down 1st base line. Frustrated he runs it out but gets a piece of the 1B on his way through the bag. Run had already scored when he hit the 1B but they sent the runners back and no runs scored.

This was the 1st time I'd seen a play like this happen and this call made. That video clip is a little more bush league IMO.

Obviously the video will show what happened (someday.... ) but from my recollection , the runner had not crossed the plate before he got a "piece" of me (I have referred to it since then as when I got "Meatball Kevin'ed", everyone gets it, first time). The contact took place between first and home, not as he crossed the bag.

Regardless, that is the call that was made in accordance with the rules which rely on the ref's interpretation of the events that occurred.

[Duff]

Obviously the video will show what happened (someday.... ) but from my recollection , the runner had not crossed the plate before he got a "piece" of me (I have referred to it since then as when I got "Meatball Kevin'ed", everyone gets it, first time). The contact took place between first and home, not as he crossed the bag.

Regardless, that is the call that was made in accordance with the rules which rely on the ref's interpretation of the events that occurred.

You're in luck my friend The livestream of that game is still available....link here....

http://www.livestream.com/kickball365/v ... m=ui-thumb

Go to the 20:10 mark. The run was scoring 100% before your throw woulda got there. BUT, our guy DEFINITELY shouldn't have ran into you like that and the run was correctly called back.

[chipadelphia]

In our situation, the kicker didn't make contact with anyone or the ball, they had run to the bench and then back across and had to avoid the ball. Nothing was intentional.

Here's my question, did the runner start running to first AFTER the fielder stepped on the bag or before. Because if it's before, I wouldn't have called anything, unless there was a move directly made to alter the fielders throw. It is hard to determine solely on the way the question is worded. If the kicker intentionally interferes, with either the fielder or the ball, and made any contact, then yes offensive interference, runner goes back to 3rd.

In the video, I agree that it was bush league and I would of forced everyone to return to their base had anyone moved.

Yes, the runner had already been forced out before he ran back across.

[Duff]

Yes, the runner had already been forced out before he ran back across.

Doesn't matter. It's still a live play. Otherwise, any runner on a force out could start running around the field like a banshee without repercussions. It would be chaos...chaos...

[chipadelphia]

Yes, the runner had already been forced out before he ran back across.

Doesn't matter. It's still a live play. Otherwise, any runner on a force out could start running around the field like a banshee without repercussions. It would be chaos...chaos...

Haha, ya. I was just clarifying for JP.

[sduncan]

Obviously the video will show what happened (someday.... ) but from my recollection , the runner had not crossed the plate before he got a "piece" of me (I have referred to it since then as when I got "Meatball Kevin'ed", everyone gets it, first time). The contact took place between first and home, not as he crossed the bag.

Regardless, that is the call that was made in accordance with the rules which rely on the ref's interpretation of the events that occurred.

You're in luck my friend The livestream of that game is still available....link here....

http://www.livestream.com/kickball365/v ... m=ui-thumb

Go to the 20:10 mark. The run was scoring 100% before your throw woulda got there. BUT, our guy DEFINITELY shouldn't have ran into you like that and the run was correctly called back.

Awesome, thanks for the link! Ya, I wasn't saying he wouldn't have scored, just Brick's statement wasn't correct in that he had already scored.

Now I get to see you make my leg crap up reaching for that pitch that curved way outside!

[JohnPWilks]

Yes, the runner had already been forced out before he ran back across.

Doesn't matter. It's still a live play. Otherwise, any runner on a force out could start running around the field like a banshee without repercussions. It would be chaos...chaos...

Haha, ya. I was just clarifying for JP.

Then in that case, I agree with Duff, the runner should of been sent back.

[Duff]

Awesome, thanks for the link! Ya, I wasn't saying he wouldn't have scored, just Brick's statement wasn't correct in that he had already scored.

Now I get to see you make my leg crap up reaching for that pitch that curved way outside!

Blame old age for that, not me. I've cramped up in the last three tourneys around game 6 also no matter how many bananas and glasses of water I have. Good times.

[kim dude]

Yes, the runner had already been forced out before he ran back across.

Doesn't matter. It's still a live play. Otherwise, any runner on a force out could start running around the field like a banshee without repercussions. It would be chaos...chaos...

Haha, ya. I was just clarifying for JP.

Then in that case, I agree with Duff, the runner should of been sent back.

you sure? it sounds like his running back out didn't directly interfere with the following play.

[chipadelphia]

Yes, the runner had already been forced out before he ran back across.

Doesn't matter. It's still a live play. Otherwise, any runner on a force out could start running around the field like a banshee without repercussions. It would be chaos...chaos...

Haha, ya. I was just clarifying for JP.

Then in that case, I agree with Duff, the runner should of been sent back.

you sure? it sounds like his running back out didn't directly interfere with the following play.

He did not directly interfere with the ball but I know I had to move for a view and Dave had to alter his throw home so he did not hit him in a spot he should not have been in.

[kim dude]

Yes, the runner had already been forced out before he ran back across.

Doesn't matter. It's still a live play. Otherwise, any runner on a force out could start running around the field like a banshee without repercussions. It would be chaos...chaos...

Haha, ya. I was just clarifying for JP.

Then in that case, I agree with Duff, the runner should of been sent back.

you sure? it sounds like his running back out didn't directly interfere with the following play.

He did not directly interfere with the ball but I know I had to move for a view and Dave had to alter his throw home so he did not hit him in a spot he should not have been in.

then i agree with JPW

[sduncan]

Awesome, thanks for the link! Ya, I wasn't saying he wouldn't have scored, just Brick's statement wasn't correct in that he had already scored.

Now I get to see you make my leg crap up reaching for that pitch that curved way outside!

Blame old age for that, not me. I've cramped up in the last three tourneys around game 6 also no matter how many bananas and glasses of water I have. Good times.

Naw, I refuse to think I'm getting old (maybe better fitness is needed though). I'll stick to blaming you for getting me to stretch for that pitch. Good stuff down there though, looking forward to seeing you guys again at the next one y'all make!

[Edge]

I'm still pissed at Duff for fouling me out in our first game. First time I've ever fouled out

[Duff]

Brick should have our pool play game up (un-edited, cause that's how the east coast rolls) in the next hour or two.

I'll freeze frame your foul out and bring a copy to New Orleans if you promise you'll sign it.

[Edge]

Brick should have our pool play game up (un-edited, cause that's how the east coast rolls) in the next hour or two.

I'll freeze frame your foul out and bring a copy to New Orleans if you promise you'll sign it.

How about you delete it from the video and I'll buy you a tall boy?

[Duff]

Brick should have our pool play game up (un-edited, cause that's how the east coast rolls) in the next hour or two.

I'll freeze frame your foul out and bring a copy to New Orleans if you promise you'll sign it.

How about you delete it from the video and I'll buy you a tall boy?

Pretty sure it's mid-upload as per Brick, but I'll see what I can do.

[dp3]

Brick should have our pool play game up (un-edited, cause that's how the east coast rolls) in the next hour or two.

I'll freeze frame your foul out and bring a copy to New Orleans if you promise you'll sign it.

How about you delete it from the video and I'll buy you a tall boy?

Don't worry. Nobody's going to watch a raw, unedited video. What are we? Peasants?

[The Paddy]

You're referring to East Coast JV kickball video, Don. Here on the WC, our kickball vid is ELITE.

[dp3]

You're referring to East Coast JV kickball video, Don. Here on the WC, our kickball vid is ELITE.

East coast kickball video reminds me of where our West coast kickball video was 3 years ago...beyond the top couple of guys, the talent drops off dramatically.

[JohnPWilks]

And posted within a day of it being recorded. GKO was what a month ago?

You're referring to East Coast JV kickball video, Don. Here on the WC, our kickball vid is ELITE.

[Duff]

You're referring to East Coast JV kickball video, Don. Here on the WC, our kickball vid is ELITE.

East coast kickball video reminds me of where our West coast kickball video was 3 years ago...beyond the top couple of guys, the talent drops off dramatically.

Bravo.

Though I'm not sure if our top three are even there yet. Though, to be fair, I was told Phil's battery died a good amount at GKO and he has to piece together a variety of files. I doubt it's at the top of his list.

Brick should be uploading all 4 of our pool play games to YouTube(because Vimeo is for liberals maybe???) and that'll be something for the time being.

Also, I actually enjoy unedited footage. I like seeing what pitchers throw and when. How people change their approach. I don't get a great feel for a game from a chopped version, but I feel like I'm in the minority.

[EL Capitan_LBC]

Doesn't the runner still have the right to finish the play much like a baseball player finishes their slide into second even after the out has been recorded? The guy in this video clearly goes out of his way to interfere with the ball which is the main difference between the two plays. I don't think you can fault a runner for getting hit by a ball or blocking the vision of a defender (w/out being intentional) simply because they're out.

[chipadelphia]

Doesn't the runner still have the right to finish the play much like a baseball player finishes their slide into second even after the out has been recorded? The guy in this video clearly goes out of his way to interfere with the ball which is the main difference between the two plays. I don't think you can fault a runner for getting hit by a ball or blocking the vision of a defender (w/out being intentional) simply because they're out.

Had he not run to the bench (CLEARLY out of the base path) and then back across after he had already been forced out I would not even have said anything because what you said above is correct.

[Dematas]

Doesn't the runner still have the right to finish the play much like a baseball player finishes their slide into second even after the out has been recorded? The guy in this video clearly goes out of his way to interfere with the ball which is the main difference between the two plays. I don't think you can fault a runner for getting hit by a ball or blocking the vision of a defender (w/out being intentional) simply because they're out.

That play was not cool and I let you all know about it.

[Guapo_Dave]

Yeah that was an interesting play. From my angle, kicker chops one to me right at first. And hesitates. Doesn't start to run. I pick up the ball and step on first and he takes a few steps down the line and then just stood there. Don't know if he was intentionally blocking Chip/the angle or not. But it made me throw the ball more to the back of the plate then out front. Not 100% sure we would have got the runner out even if I could have put the ball in front. Was just a unique situation.

[EL Capitan_LBC]

Doesn't the runner still have the right to finish the play much like a baseball player finishes their slide into second even after the out has been recorded? The guy in this video clearly goes out of his way to interfere with the ball which is the main difference between the two plays. I don't think you can fault a runner for getting hit by a ball or blocking the vision of a defender (w/out being intentional) simply because they're out.

That play was not cool and I let you all know about it.

Not cool or incorrectly called?

[Dematas]

Doesn't the runner still have the right to finish the play much like a baseball player finishes their slide into second even after the out has been recorded? The guy in this video clearly goes out of his way to interfere with the ball which is the main difference between the two plays. I don't think you can fault a runner for getting hit by a ball or blocking the vision of a defender (w/out being intentional) simply because they're out.

That play was not cool and I let you all know about it.

Not cool or incorrectly called?

I thought it was a D-bag move, plain and simple.

[chipadelphia]

I only thought it was incorrectly called.

[EL Capitan_LBC]

Doesn't the runner still have the right to finish the play much like a baseball player finishes their slide into second even after the out has been recorded? The guy in this video clearly goes out of his way to interfere with the ball which is the main difference between the two plays. I don't think you can fault a runner for getting hit by a ball or blocking the vision of a defender (w/out being intentional) simply because they're out.

That play was not cool and I let you all know about it.

Not cool or incorrectly called?

I thought it was a D-bag move, plain and simple.

But yet your boy said it wasn't intentional??? I'll wait to see the video before commenting on the situation anymore.

[Dematas]

Looked intentional to me, either way, that's my opinion whether it is right or wrong. I thought only Meatballs did stuff like that, guess not.

[EL Capitan_LBC]

I only thought it was incorrectly called.

Fair enough