MEATBALLKEVIN wrote:Edge wrote:I see both sides of the argument.
If you do seeding completely random, every tournament is going to have a pool that is lopsided. It may not happen often, but I guarantee you will have a tournament here and there that has 3 of the top teams in it. Conversely you're going to have pools with 3 lesser teams. It will ultimately cause problems at every tournament.
I think that because this tournament had 2 pools, instead of 3-4, it rubbed some people the wrong way because they had to play top teams. However, I think the seeding was done pretty fair. Yes, PA had a fairly easy road to single elimination, but A) they have earned it B) the pools were set up to where they didn’t have to play teams in their league (Situation & ViDF) and C) they weren’t going to play Fully Loaded as they were the #2 seed. Not a lot of options when the pull is set up that way. Not to mention, no one really knew what to expect from a lot of these teams, except PA/FL. A lot of teams were new teams (or new rosters) or teams new to the circuit like Flying V, BiB, ViDF, etc.
Do I want to play Meatballs/Panik Attack/Fully Loaded/Situation/TI^/USC/NYSH every tournament in pool play? No, but you deal with the pool you are put in. Bottom line is if you earn some respect and perform well at tournaments, you’re going to eventually get some easier pools.
Exactly. Again my team did not just form over night . Meatballs started in 2006.
By trying to make seedings fair and fun for everyone is not what the circuit is about. The circuit is built for competetive kickball. You earn your seedings. Next march should the NCAA have the #1 seeds play each other on each side?of course not because that would be stupid.
To me Circuit kickball is the best of the best going at it in tournaments. You earn your spot and your rankings. If this is going to draw teams away from it then so be it. I know there is a company out there built for "fun kickball".
Last time I check we're all recreational kickball players, i.e. no one gets paid to play kickball for a living. In fact it's the opposite. We actually pay a lot of money to travel and play in these tourneys. I HOPE the organizers are concerned with making it fair and fun. Because if that isn't "what the circuit is about" than it's a business model doomed for failure.
With that said, I think this is a good discussion about the seeding. I don't think the way VBKO did the seeding was way off. But at the same time, there probably could be some tweaks made just to add a little more balance. I think a lot of good ideas are being thrown out here.