New Debate over #1?? Top 5??

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Re: New Debate over #1?? Top 5??

Postby FlyingV » October 12th, 2011, 10:01 pm

lightsout wrote:Here's the problem with the call, it leaves a bad taste in your mouth for an otherwise great day of kickball between great competitors. We lost becuase we made too many mistakes. We had much less fun because the ref felt he needed to assert himself in a situation he didn't need to.

With so many evenly matched teams, money on the line, and the margin of error razor thin, there needs to be some discreation, understanding, common sense applied to the rules. I certainly do not begrudge Jared for appealling the play, but I begrudge the fact that the umpire asserted himself into several calls that were close, but not others that were equally close.

I don't know about most people, but I play for the compeition the game brings and to take away from the competition by trying to make a hero of yourself is just no fun for anybody. LIU feels cheaper for the win the deserved and we feel cheated for a loss we deserved. The part that really sucks is to have that opportunity stripped from you in the heat of the moment.


I posted this on another thread but it looks like it fits here better.

Guiz- not sure if this call was made on you or not but I wanted to make a point that a similar call was made by the same ref during our sweet 16 game during FC. While rounding 3rd our player was involved in a CLOSE play at the plate where I was 75% sure they got under the tag. That next inning JPW explained the reason he called that player out was not b/c he was out at home but b/c he missed 3rd base. At that moment I completely agreed with the call. I knew he was right b/c that runner was me and I did barely miss 3rd. This should show you that this is something JPW is always aware of and most likely made an accurate call. I've always had good games called and discussions with JPW.

***After reading about the visibility issue this might not totally put it to rest but it should provide some credibility.
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Re: New Debate over #1?? Top 5??

Postby The Sofa King » October 13th, 2011, 12:24 pm

Yeah, brick really not the same thing. The ball was in centerfield. No advantage could have possibly been gained.
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Re: New Debate over #1?? Top 5??

Postby Return of Ctiger » October 13th, 2011, 12:28 pm

Typod wrote:This is the base that was missed. Jared is standing on it. Just to give a frame of reference as to how buried the little rubber mat was. Im standing near home plate with a zoom lens as well.

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Your argument is just bad based on the simple fact that you let Jared get to third base.. any team that allows that clearly is not very good
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Re: New Debate over #1?? Top 5??

Postby Jared It Up! » October 13th, 2011, 12:31 pm

thanks tiger.
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Re: New Debate over #1?? Top 5??

Postby Typod » October 13th, 2011, 12:34 pm

Return of Ctiger wrote:Your argument is just bad based on the simple fact that you let Jared get to third base.. any team that allows that clearly is not very good



AHHAAHAHA!!

That actually made me laugh out loud in my office. Excellent point.
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Re: New Debate over #1?? Top 5??

Postby Jared It Up! » October 13th, 2011, 12:36 pm

sofa allowed it 4 times in two games!
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Re: New Debate over #1?? Top 5??

Postby Typod » October 13th, 2011, 12:37 pm

Jared It Up! wrote:sofa allowed it 4 times in two games!


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Re: New Debate over #1?? Top 5??

Postby Jared It Up! » October 13th, 2011, 12:43 pm

Typod wrote:
Jared It Up! wrote:sofa allowed it 4 times in two games!


crossfit.


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Re: New Debate over #1?? Top 5??

Postby Kickball Trey Sixty Five » October 13th, 2011, 12:46 pm

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Re: New Debate over #1?? Top 5??

Postby The Scorekeeper » October 13th, 2011, 1:01 pm

speaking of, how did that work out for you this weekend, trey? (that's not me trying to pick a fight. i really would like to know if you saw a significant improvement)
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Re: New Debate over #1?? Top 5??

Postby Kickball Trey Sixty Five » October 13th, 2011, 1:10 pm

The Scorekeeper wrote:speaking of, how did that work out for you this weekend, trey? (that's not me trying to pick a fight. i really would like to know if you saw a significant improvement)

I played two days, 15 games (I think), kicked (or rather bunted) in the 3 spot again, and only got out twice all weekend from what I remember. I had the highest OB% on the team. I went 1st to 3rd three times and I was over halfway to 3rd by the time the 1B got the ball at 1st every time. Nobody ever even attempted a throw on me. I'm considerably faster than I was a month ago, and I still have probably 10-15 lbs of fat to lose before I peak.
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Re: New Debate over #1?? Top 5??

Postby Jared It Up! » October 13th, 2011, 1:23 pm

Zen Trey wrote:
The Scorekeeper wrote:speaking of, how did that work out for you this weekend, trey? (that's not me trying to pick a fight. i really would like to know if you saw a significant improvement)

I played two days, 15 games (I think), kicked (or rather bunted) in the 3 spot again, and only got out twice all weekend from what I remember. I had the highest OB% on the team. I went 1st to 3rd three times and I was over halfway to 3rd by the time the 1B got the ball at 1st every time. Nobody ever even attempted a throw on me. I'm considerably faster than I was a month ago, and I still have probably 10-15 lbs of fat to lose before I peak.


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Re: New Debate over #1?? Top 5??

Postby Lefty » October 13th, 2011, 4:23 pm

iShark wrote:
Hollywood B wrote:Yea I was wondering about that because aside from the 20 minute delay, I knew there was no 3rd base ref, and we played on that field in the morning and couldn't see any of the bases or even the plate really.


Ya, I was your guys' ump on that field all morning and I just had to trust where the base was. There was one play, I think it was WR vs Army of Darkness, where a girl made a force out at 3rd but fell to make the catch and the coaches at 3rd screamed she was off the base. All I could tell was that she had her feet planted well in advance and didn't pick them up until after the ball was caught. I had to trust my judgement not a team that's obviously bias. Shane's probably the only person I would trust not to lie but even then I have to go by what I saw.

Hollywood B wrote:Its just dumb. Refs need to be absolutely CERTAIN that they saw a miss to make a call like that.


Absolutely! Obviously things get missed and when I think I legitimately missed something I feel like shit but if I didn't see it with my own eyes I'm not going to call it. I tell the team "I didn't see that. I will make sure to pay close attention from now on." And then I do whatever I have to (ie better positioning, adjust cones or bases).

From field 7 I definitely saw the runner stutter step like he was shortening his stride to hit 3b.


I remember that play. I was the catcher that threw the ball to Rachel to get the force out. Aaron (Whiskey Richard Player) was clearly out. Rachel's foot was clearly on the plate when Aaron slid. He knocked her down but she held onto the ball. WR just likes to argue when a call doesn't go their way.
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Re: New Debate over #1?? Top 5??

Postby iShark » October 13th, 2011, 6:13 pm

Eh, they didn't really argue it for more than a few seconds.

The call I made on your step over the plate foul ball was probably wrong but you guys were super cool about it. It was cool meeting Tweasy and the other guy with a goatee, what was his name? I think you got on after that so I felt relieved.
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Re: New Debate over #1?? Top 5??

Postby Lefty » October 13th, 2011, 6:58 pm

Think it was Butters.
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Re: New Debate over #1?? Top 5??

Postby Bellman » October 13th, 2011, 11:09 pm

Speedy wrote:I remember that play. I was the catcher that threw the ball to Rachel to get the force out. Aaron (Whiskey Richard Player) was clearly out. Rachel's foot was clearly on the plate when Aaron slid. He knocked her down but she held onto the ball. WR just likes to argue when a call doesn't go their way.


None of us could see the base from the sideline either. We only yelled about it because she fell away and it looked like she might have been off, so we wanted to make sure it was in the refs mind. Same as when a bobble happens... sometimes the ref doesn't realize it right away and needs a little reminder.
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Re: New Debate over #1?? Top 5??

Postby 2_easy » October 14th, 2011, 9:23 am

AZ_Bellman wrote:
Speedy wrote:I remember that play. I was the catcher that threw the ball to Rachel to get the force out. Aaron (Whiskey Richard Player) was clearly out. Rachel's foot was clearly on the plate when Aaron slid. He knocked her down but she held onto the ball. WR just likes to argue when a call doesn't go their way.


None of us could see the base from the sideline either. We only yelled about it because she fell away and it looked like she might have been off, so we wanted to make sure it was in the refs mind. Same as when a bobble happens... sometimes the ref doesn't realize it right away and needs a little reminder.

Either way it was a pretty close game that had a lot on the line. Both teams 0-2, needing the win to move on.

Scoreless until the bottom of the 4th, when AOD scored off of an error throw, then WR came back in the top of the 5th and scored 2. Which was enough to sneak out the 2-1 victory.
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Re: New Debate over #1?? Top 5??

Postby changer banger » October 14th, 2011, 9:47 am

Zen Trey wrote:I'm considerably faster than I was a month ago, and I still have probably 10-15 lbs of fat to lose before I peak.


How's your Cindy?
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Re: New Debate over #1?? Top 5??

Postby Kickball Trey Sixty Five » October 14th, 2011, 9:57 am

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Re: New Debate over #1?? Top 5??

Postby changer banger » October 14th, 2011, 10:19 am

Zen Trey wrote:What's a Cindy?


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Re: New Debate over #1?? Top 5??

Postby Kickball Trey Sixty Five » October 14th, 2011, 10:21 am

NINJA wrote:
Zen Trey wrote:What's a Cindy?


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Haven't done that one yet.
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Re: New Debate over #1?? Top 5??

Postby Jared It Up! » October 14th, 2011, 3:28 pm

NINJA - what is your cindy?

mine is 16 rounds + 5 pullups in January. I assume I will destroy that time next time Cindy comes up.
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Re: New Debate over #1?? Top 5??

Postby changer banger » November 30th, 2011, 3:23 pm

Jared It Up! wrote:NINJA - what is your cindy?

mine is 16 rounds + 5 pullups in January. I assume I will destroy that time next time Cindy comes up.


Jared - am uber late on this (haven't been on the boards much, if at all the last six weeks). Believe my best is 13 rounds. I'm just getting back CF'ing in the last week and look forward to a PR in January. Hopefully, the 100 burpee pull-ups tonight won't be too tough.
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Re: New Debate over #1?? Top 5??

Postby Horses and Genitals » December 2nd, 2011, 9:16 am

I think I could maybe do 3 rounds of that.
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