Getting to know Catch-22...

[The Slam]

Getting to know Catch 22

1. You're generally known as one of the saltiest players from DC. What or who makes salty?


2. Better team - OSC or M2S, why?


3. Is there any special meaning to the name "Catch-22"


4. Compare OSC to PA and the Meatballs. From what you're seen, who has the better offense? defense? girls?


5. You've made claims that after SFKO you think you're the third best team in the country from what you've seen. Did you stay to watch other games after you were eliminated? Do you really not think there are any other teams in the country better than OSC?


6. M2S lost to BD in Florida. Would OSC have won that game? Why do you think you lost? Was it a particular play? an error? a player?


7. DC once had a lot of competitive teams, but not so much anymore. Why do you think this is? What do you think it will take to grow the number of competitive franchises in DC? How do you think DC kickball ranks in terms of competitiveness compared to South Florida, NY, and VB?


8. Why do you think Bill approached you guys (BSC) about a merger in 2010? What was your biggest concern going into it?


9. With Bill, OSC often uses a very unique defense with 2 first basemen and a charger (Bill) that kicks the ball to first. Why not just have sleeveless charge the entire time? What is your opinion of this defensive arrangement?


10. Any particular reason Troy wasn't pitching the FC championship? If you could play that game any differently, what would you have done?


11. Tell us one thing the message board public doesn't know about the DC beach house in Florida.


12. I've heard rumors there was an all gay team called the "Ball Busters" that you were part of. Is this true?


13. For the past 2 years your team has failed to win the K365 tournament. Both times you were eliminated by a FL team. What are your thoughts on both of the games you were eliminated in? Which loss made you saltier?


14. Word Association:
Meatball Kevin:
Trey:
Jellydogg:
Machine Gun Kelly:
McCoy:
Admin:
Shane:
Meatballs:
Bill:
Dematas:
WAKA:
Fully Loaded:
LIU:
Balls Deeper:
M2S:
OSC:

[Catch-22]

Getting to know Catch 22

1. You're generally known as one of the saltiest players from DC. What or who makes salty?

It's nothing personal. Just like a lot of food, the message board is better with some salt.

2. Better team - OSC or M2S, why?

OSC from last season was the most talented team I probably will ever be on. Incredibly deep kicking lineup. Super fast. Excellent defense. A couple bad breaks away from reaching our goal of winning Founders Cup. If McCoy doesn't make the outfield play of a lifetime, we win that game in regulation.

The jury is still out on M2S. Pretty much that entire team has decided to come back and give it another go, joining forces with the rest of iB. The new iB will have great chemistry and has a lot of talent.

3. Is there any special meaning to the name "Catch-22"

Not really. I played catcher for BSC at the time and I had recently read the book. And nobody on the boards at that point was using their name as their handle.

4. Compare OSC to PA and the Meatballs. From what you're seen, who has the better offense? defense? girls?

Not sure what you've heard yet, but as I mentioned above, OSC is going through a lot of changes. If OSC had stayed together in the form I expected it to along with the additions of the KA guys who couldn't play last year in Vegas (Wilner, Paul P, and Ever), we would have been right there with PA, and not quite as good as Meatballs, who in their current form, are ridiculous. But OSC had a few players retire and some of us moved over to iB, so I can't really say how good this year's OSC team will be.

5. You've made claims that after SFKO you think you're the third best team in the country from what you've seen. Did you stay to watch other games after you were eliminated? Do you really not think there are any other teams in the country better than OSC?

Unfortunately, I won't get a chance to prove myself correct with OSC's changes, but I stand by my statements. Even as it stands now I'd take my current iB team to beat any team in the country not named Panick or Meatballs.

What team outside of PA and MB has done anything to impress me?

Fully Loaded is super talented but they just got their ass handed to them by the Meatballs just after getting their ass handed to them by Balls Deeper.

I played JKI and Balls Deeper in SFKO. Both are excellent teams. We blew 2-1 and 3-0 leads respectively in the bottom of the last inning in those games with routine errors in the field, which are the type of errors that happen when a team is playing together for the first time and none of its players have played kickball since October.

The Situation is a great team, but they couldn't even get out of pool play in Florida.

NYSH got smoked by LIU and didn't look that good at SFKO.

We beat TI2 like 12-2 or 14-2 in three or four innings in pool play. They're talented, but certainly didn't impress that game.

LIU has played really well. I've never played them and I'm always impressed with their play. If people ranked them ahead of us, although I'd personally disagree with it, I'd be fine with it. I'd love to play them one of these tourneys.

And don't sleep on Sofa King. They're very good as well. I wouldn't rank them in the top four, but they're certainly top ten, probably even better than that.


6. M2S lost to BD in Florida. Would OSC have won that game? Why do you think you lost? Was it a particular play? an error? a player?

I've always said that if our best players play their best, we'll win every game we're in. And I think that's true. We played well for 5 and a 1/2 innings. We were up 3-0 in the bottom of the 6th and then started making some routine errors. That game should never have gone to overtime. And in overtime, the top of our lineup, myself included, had its chances and we didn't get the job done. That being said, every loss is a combination of mistakes by one team and execution by the other. Balls Deeper never quit. They played hard. Josh Martin found a sixth gear to his pitching in overtime. They put the ball in places where our guys had to make plays and they came away with a hard fought, well deserved win. I've played them three times now, and every game has been a nail-biter.

On and off the field, those guys are class acts. They play kickball the right way. By far, my favorite team to play at tourneys.

7. DC once had a lot of competitive teams, but not so much anymore. Why do you think this is? What do you think it will take to grow the number of competitive franchises in DC? How do you think DC kickball ranks in terms of competitiveness compared to South Florida, NY, and VB?

I think the regions rank (1) SF, (2) VB, (3) DC, (4) NY

When I started playing there were four really good teams: KA, Gonzo, M2S, and my upstart BSC team.

BSC started in Spring of 08 because Joe's co-worker invited him onto a team. He invited myself and Dwyer (OSC pitcher). Then I invited my brother (OSC 1B). We picked up a couple free agents who both had very good arms (former baseball players) Lloyd and Cherry and we had a good six man core. We went out to Vegas, partied hard, stayed out all night, and got beat down pretty good by Gonzo in elims. And then the switch to two-bounce happened, which hurt b/c our pitchers were overhand.

So we realized we needed to beef up our offense. So we got five soccer players to join up the following year. That '09 BSC team never got over the hump though. Other than beating One Night Stand at K365 (which no one else did that day), we just had a lot of close losses, including a heartbreaking 2-1 loss to Balls Deeper at Founders Cup off the pitcher trying to peg the runner (and missing him) in the bottom of the 5th, tie game, bases loaded, when he could have easily thrown to first or home.

Which takes us up to the merger which you ask about below. But real quick, back to your question, I think the talent is in DC, I just think it has all migrated to two teams, instead of spreading out the talent to four.

8. Why do you think Bill approached you guys (BSC) about a merger in 2010? What was your biggest concern going into it?

The Others were a merger of Gonzo, KA, and M2S. BSC had the youth and speed that The Others lacked. When Bill's close friends and teammates from former KA all couldn't play in Vegas '10 because of a wedding, I think he just wanted to take a step back from running the show for a year and see if we could put together a run at Founders Cup. So Bill, Sleeveless, Troy, pDunc, and a couple girls from The Others came onto BSC.

My biggest concern was that BSC liked to party and we were all friends, so I wanted to make sure that our team would fit in together with the new guys (specifically Bill and Sleeveless who I didn't know really). And because BSC was all friends, we didn't want to cut anyone. And we didn't. BSC literally did not cut a single person in that merger.

9. With Bill, OSC often uses a very unique defense with 2 first basemen and a charger (Bill) that kicks the ball to first. Why not just have sleeveless charge the entire time? What is your opinion of this defensive arrangement?

That defense was just a natural progression. On BSC, Joe would play catcher to start innings until someone got on base (if that happened) and I would play the second first baseman with my brother. If someone got on base, Joe would go to the outfield and then I would play catcher. It made sense once we had two players who could do kick outs well to play Bill at charger too. What's funny is I didn't think of having Bill be a kick-out charger until right before Vegas. Bill and Joe liked the idea and we ran with it. It's hard to say whether it's more successful than just playing a normal defense, but we like to try new defenses and see if there's anything innovative we can do.

10. Any particular reason Troy wasn't pitching the FC championship? If you could play that game any differently, what would you have done?

I don't think it had anything to do with Troy really. Troy had pitched well throughout the day. Dwyer just got into a zone and was throwing heat. Panick couldn't bunt on him. They scored 2 runs in the 1st, one off of an error. They had to start kicking for spots, which wasn't working. KC rules and us taking three male fielders out of the game helped PA out a lot (that and some of the most one-sided, activist reffing I've ever seen in a sporting event).

I would have held Brian at second on that throw from McCoy, knowing what I know now. At the time, I specifically told Brian not to go unless the ball went to right field. McCoy just made an unbelievable play. I think even with McCoy making that play, that runner is safe 9 out of 10 times. Just a great play by him.

11. Tell us one thing the message board public doesn't know about the DC beach house in Florida.

Hearing about it doesn't do it justice. You just had to be there.

12. I've heard rumors there was an all gay team called the "Ball Busters" that you were part of. Is this true?

Haha, definitely not. In our fall league, we play against an all or mostly gay team called Ball Busters. They sent an open letter to the league at the end of the season giving players from other teams superlatives. They thought I had the "Nicest Ass".

13. For the past 2 years your team has failed to win the K365 tournament. Both times you were eliminated by a FL team. What are your thoughts on both of the games you were eliminated in? Which loss made you saltier?

Definitely the first one. We were playing Make It Hail, and got the top of their lineup out 1-2-3. On the first out, Joe attempted to kick out Warley, but the ball was coming in short to first. So I reached out and flicked the ball into Warley, but couldn't get my arm out of the way in time, and broke my wrist in the collision. (B/c I'd already tagged him out with the ball, it wasn't baserunner interference.) I tried to just throw some tape on it. Beil (leadoff for M2S in SFKO) got on. I kicked second and laid down a nice bunt, but took two steps and could feel the bone shifting, so I had to stop running. I got thrown out and Beil tried to go first to third (it was his first major tourney), and he got hosed. Huge momentum shift. I was done for the day, so we had to shift our defense. A couple dumb errors on defense the next inning, and we were history.

In the second game (Finals of '10 K365), it was a combination of Meatballs playing great and us running out of gas. Bill, Joe, pDunc, Sleeveless, and Brian were all either not playing defense or playing with injuries. We walked Stu to start the game and threw a routine ball away on the second kicker to get second and third no outs, which is a pretty awful way start to a game. Our top of the order got out 1, 2, 3. Then Meatballs just started raining down liners. They kicked really well that day. Dwyer came in half-way through (Dwyer and Troy had been switching off and on) and stemmed the bleeding a bit, but the damage was done. A couple late errors padded the score a bit. I think the final ended up being 8-2. We played poorly and Meatballs played great. That leads to a blowout.

14. Word Association:
Meatball Kevin: Salty; great recruiter; underrated kicker; always looks pissed off
Trey: Factually inaccurate; overrated catcher
Jellydogg: Precise; kickball purist
Machine Gun Kelly: Masshole, and I mean that in the best way possible
McCoy: Canon for an arm; has a salty side
Admin: Getting things done; innovative
Shane: Wise
Meatballs: Great, but douchey
Bill: Does what it takes to win
Dematas: Angry
WAKA: Good business model
Fully Loaded: Like a Florida BSC, can't get over the hump
LIU: Lurking; one upset away from a shot at a title
Balls Deeper: Class acts; underrated
M2S: Non-existent...we joined iB
OSC: Great to be a part of, wish them nothing but the best this year

[2_easy]

I agree with your word association for Trey: Overrated Catcher. He might want to start thinking about training a protege, if PA wants a chance at winning the CC.

[Jared It Up!]

follow up question: What exactly happened with iB and OSC?

[JellyDogg]

The jury is still out on M2S. Pretty much that entire team has decided to come back and give it another go, joining forces with the rest of iB. The new iB will have great chemistry and has a lot of talent.[/b]

Interesting. I knew about some people making the jump, but almost the entire team? Are OSC and IB just rearranging the deck chairs again?

[MEATBALLKEVIN]

Another good interview Slam

[Catch-22]

follow up question: What exactly happened with iB and OSC?

It's complicated. It kind of took a mind of its own.

My take on it is that just a bunch of things were in play that came to a head:

1) Because of some personal commitments (graduating from law school and a wedding in Brazil), my brother and I can't play in the Virginia Beach or Vegas tournaments. As a result, OSC didn't want to use up two slots on their WAKA Sunday league roster for two people who couldn't go to Vegas anyway. Without a league to play in and with the limited amount of tourneys, my brother was considering taking the year off. There was talk of me putting together a "fun" OSC team in DC Capital but with me studying for the bar exam this summer, I didn't want to commit to anything like that. iB was already playing in DC Capital on Thursdays. I had played with a lot of the iB guys before on MBA and in Florida with M2S, and they are a great group. My girlfriend plays for iB. It just made sense from an enjoyment perspective to jump on with them.

2) Meanwhile, I think Troy wanted a change of scene. He switched over to iB. pDunc wanted to play with Troy, Brian, and me, so he switched. Michele and pDunc are dating, so Michele switched.

3) Jordan's three closest friends on OSC, (Lloyd, Jason, and Parker) all retired unexpectedly, so then Jordan switched, since he has played on MBA for awhile and is friends with all the iB people too.

4) In the end, I think the group that played down in South Florida together as M2S just had a really good time and liked the idea of still playing together. We'll see how it works out. It's a bummer about OSC, but I'm looking forward to this upcoming season.

The OSC guys were obviously disappointed with how it played out, since we really had put together a great squad last year that was only going to get better. But a team that can kick 15 or 16 guys means a lot of people don't get to play as much as they'd like, and I think some people thought their time would be better spent elsewhere. But the OSC guys have handled the moves very well, very maturely. We're all still friends. This kind of stuff happens. People shift around on teams.

[j22201]

damn.... you got your essay response...

[-APBT-]

follow up question: What exactly happened with iB and OSC?

It's complicated. It kind of took a mind of its own.

My take on it is that just a bunch of things were in play that came to a head:

1) Because of some personal commitments (graduating from law school and a wedding in Brazil), my brother and I can't play in the Virginia Beach or Vegas tournaments. As a result, OSC didn't want to use up two slots on their WAKA Sunday league roster for two people who couldn't go to Vegas anyway. Without a league to play in and with the limited amount of tourneys, my brother was considering taking the year off. There was talk of me putting together a "fun" OSC team in DC Capital but with me studying for the bar exam this summer, I didn't want to commit to anything like that. iB was already playing in DC Capital on Thursdays. I had played with a lot of the iB guys before on MBA and in Florida with M2S, and they are a great group. My girlfriend plays for iB. It just made sense from an enjoyment perspective to jump on with them.

2) Meanwhile, I think Troy wanted a change of scene. He switched over to iB. pDunc wanted to play with Troy, Brian, and me, so he switched. Michele and pDunc are dating, so Michele switched.

3) Jordan's three closest friends on OSC, (Lloyd, Jason, and Parker) all retired unexpectedly, so then Jordan switched, since he has played on MBA for awhile and is friends with all the iB people too.

4) In the end, I think the group that played down in South Florida together as M2S just had a really good time and liked the idea of still playing together. We'll see how it works out. It's a bummer about OSC, but I'm looking forward to this upcoming season.

The OSC guys were obviously disappointed with how it played out, since we really had put together a great squad last year that was only going to get better. But a team that can kick 15 or 16 guys means a lot of people don't get to play as much as they'd like, and I think some people thought their time would be better spent elsewhere. But the OSC guys have handled the moves very well, very maturely. We're all still friends. This kind of stuff happens. People shift around on teams.

Other then what he just said, iB remains the same. Welcome to iB boys and girls!

[jspur317]

Even though we had a bit of an overhaul with players leaving, OSC is still the team to beat in the DC region. We’ve retained the core of our infield which is the most important in kickball, upgraded in areas with some KA players, and have already added 5 new high level soccer players to build our offense. It was sad to see players leave us to join our IB, but we are currently in the about same shape as we were when we played in Vegas last year. On top of that, we’re still recruiting heavily for the final few roster spots, so hopefully we’re even better.

[Catch-22]

follow up question: What exactly happened with iB and OSC?

It's complicated. It kind of took a mind of its own.

My take on it is that just a bunch of things were in play that came to a head:

1) Because of some personal commitments (graduating from law school and a wedding in Brazil), my brother and I can't play in the Virginia Beach or Vegas tournaments. As a result, OSC didn't want to use up two slots on their WAKA Sunday league roster for two people who couldn't go to Vegas anyway. Without a league to play in and with the limited amount of tourneys, my brother was considering taking the year off. There was talk of me putting together a "fun" OSC team in DC Capital but with me studying for the bar exam this summer, I didn't want to commit to anything like that. iB was already playing in DC Capital on Thursdays. I had played with a lot of the iB guys before on MBA and in Florida with M2S, and they are a great group. My girlfriend plays for iB. It just made sense from an enjoyment perspective to jump on with them.

2) Meanwhile, I think Troy wanted a change of scene. He switched over to iB. pDunc wanted to play with Troy, Brian, and me, so he switched. Michele and pDunc are dating, so Michele switched.

3) Jordan's three closest friends on OSC, (Lloyd, Jason, and Parker) all retired unexpectedly, so then Jordan switched, since he has played on MBA for awhile and is friends with all the iB people too.

4) In the end, I think the group that played down in South Florida together as M2S just had a really good time and liked the idea of still playing together. We'll see how it works out. It's a bummer about OSC, but I'm looking forward to this upcoming season.

The OSC guys were obviously disappointed with how it played out, since we really had put together a great squad last year that was only going to get better. But a team that can kick 15 or 16 guys means a lot of people don't get to play as much as they'd like, and I think some people thought their time would be better spent elsewhere. But the OSC guys have handled the moves very well, very maturely. We're all still friends. This kind of stuff happens. People shift around on teams.

Other then what he just said, iB remains the same. Welcome to iB boys and girls!

While we have almost everyone from the South Florida M2S team on iB now, iB also has a lot of talented players who didn't make the trip to South Florida (like Aaron, Eddie, Gregg, Jason, Kim, Tara) that we'll get to play with now too.

[jspur317]

OH, and can't wait for the first OSC v. IB game. If anything, the folks leaving will make this a fun rivalry to follow.

[Catch-22]

Even though we had a bit of an overhaul with players leaving, OSC is still the team to beat in the DC region. We’ve retained the core of our infield which is the most important in kickball, upgraded in areas with some KA players, and have already added 5 new high level soccer players to build our offense. It was sad to see players leave us to join our IB, but we are currently in the about same shape as we were when we played in Vegas last year. On top of that, we’re still recruiting heavily for the final few roster spots, so hopefully we’re even better.

OSC will still be making noise on the Circuit this year. Joe and Bill will make sure that squad stays top notch.

[Catch-22]

OH, and can't wait for the first OSC v. IB game. If anything, the folks leaving will make this a fun rivalry to follow.

Between some of the Others merging with OSC and the creation of iB from people who didn't merge, and now some OSCers joining iB, yeah there is plenty of history between the teams to make for some epic rivalry games.

[-APBT-]

Even though we had a bit of an overhaul with players leaving, OSC is still the team to beat in the DC region. We’ve retained the core of our infield which is the most important in kickball, upgraded in areas with some KA players, and have already added 5 new high level soccer players to build our offense. It was sad to see players leave us to join our IB, but we are currently in the about same shape as we were when we played in Vegas last year. On top of that, we’re still recruiting heavily for the final few roster spots, so hopefully we’re even better.

OSC will still be making noise on the Circuit this year. Joe and Bill will make sure that squad stays top notch.

Agreed, but the best team in DC will be determined when we match up on the fields, not on these boards.

[Jared It Up!]

There is no way OSC will be able to compete with iB. iB was almost at their level last year, but with these additions, OSC doesn't stand a chance.

[Duh]

He's not pissed, thats just his thinking face...

and his O face

14. Word Association:
Meatball Kevin: Salty; great recruiter; underrated kicker; always looks pissed off

[JellyDogg]

There is no way OSC will be able to compete with iB. iB was almost at their level last year, but with these additions, OSC doesn't stand a chance.

Didn't you hear what Joe said? OSC upgraded with soccer players. SOCCER players!. They are now unbeatable.

[Trey it Up]

Sounds like iB is the better squad. Does the loss of all of these key players drop OSC out of the Top 10? I can think of at least nine teams that should be ranked ahead of them now.

Also, no way is DC ranked ahead of NYC for kickball. NYC has three teams now that are every bit as good as DC's best team (iB).

[-APBT-]

There is no way OSC will be able to compete with iB. iB was almost at their level last year, but with these additions, OSC doesn't stand a chance.

Didn't you hear what Joe said? OSC upgraded with soccer players. SOCCER players!. They are now unbeatable.

People seem to forget that Mo Tussin team as well JD! I am sure you already know that we won't look past you all!

[Catch-22]

There is no way OSC will be able to compete with iB. iB was almost at their level last year, but with these additions, OSC doesn't stand a chance.

Didn't you hear what Joe said? OSC upgraded with soccer players. SOCCER players!. They are now unbeatable.

People seem to forget that Mo Tussin team as well JD! I am sure you already know that we won't look past you all!

JD's team won the pool of death in South Florida.

[Trey it Up]

Yeah, but they were lead by Pirate and No Shoes. Without those two VB players (who likely won't play with MT going forward), I don't think they win that pool.

[The Slam]

He's not pissed, thats just his thinking face...

and his O face

14. Word Association:
Meatball Kevin: Salty; great recruiter; underrated kicker; always looks pissed off

Interesting, does TK know that you've seen his "O" face?

[The Slam]

Yeah, but they were lead by Pirate and No Shoes. Without those two VB players (who likely won't play with MT going forward), I don't think they win that pool.

and Danielle. Don't forget about her holding it down.

[JellyDogg]

IB really needs to join Monument. It'd be one of the toughest divisions in the country.

I'm optimistic MT will be able to hang with DC's top 2. We could have a really good tournament team, and our division team probably won't be too shabby, either. We'll see, though.

[JohnnyBlaze]

Yeah, but they were lead by Pirate and No Shoes. Without those two VB players (who likely won't play with MT going forward), I don't think they win that pool.

and Danielle. Don't forget about her holding it down.

True story. Without Pirate, NoShoes and Danielle, we would've gone 0-4 for only having 9 players.

[-APBT-]

Sounds like iB is the better squad. Does the loss of all of these key players drop OSC out of the Top 10? I can think of at least nine teams that should be ranked ahead of them now.

Also, no way is DC ranked ahead of NYC for kickball. NYC has three teams now that are every bit as good as DC's best team (iB).

Man Trey, you need to either share some of that stuff or give it up all together because even your trolling seems to be weak these days. because no one is going to bite on these stupid comparisons. iB got better, we haven't played any NY, FL, VaB or any DC teams for that matter, lol. This squads ability has yet to be determined. and that's the way, uh huh uh huh we like it!

[Trey it Up]

Not trolling. Just calling it like I see it. I know who iB has. I know who LIU, IJTI2, and NYSH have. I don't think iB can beat those three teams on a regular basis. I think you're right there with IJTI2 and NYSH. It would probably be 6-4 in a ten game series with the NY teams having the advantage (LIU would probably have a 7-3 edge, though). I think OSC is down to winning only 3 out of 10 against the top NY teams now, and only 2 out of 10 against LIU.

[JellyDogg]

Yeah, but they were lead by Pirate and No Shoes. Without those two VB players (who likely won't play with MT going forward), I don't think they win that pool.

and Danielle. Don't forget about her holding it down.

All were great additions, and there were a lot of people responsible for our success. Beyond those 3, I believe Mark K, Jon, John, PJ, Donna, and I all scored or drove in game-tying and/or game-winning runs, and everyone played good defense (until the TII game).

Having said that (to take a page out of Trey's playbook), CIFG would be the 6th best team in DC Monument.

[Catch-22]

Not trolling. Just calling it like I see it. I know who iB has. I know who LIU, IJTI2, and NYSH have. I don't think iB can beat those three teams on a regular basis. I think you're right there with IJTI2 and NYSH. It would probably be 6-4 in a ten game series with the NY teams having the advantage (LIU would probably have a 7-3 edge, though). I think OSC is down to winning only 3 out of 10 against the top NY teams now, and only 2 out of 10 against LIU.

So you think an iB team, which includes the South Florida M2S team members who beat TI2 12-2, would lose a ten game series to them? Haha.

[-APBT-]

Not trolling. Just calling it like I see it. I know who iB has. I know who LIU, IJTI2, and NYSH have. I don't think iB can beat those three teams on a regular basis. I think you're right there with IJTI2 and NYSH. It would probably be 6-4 in a ten game series with the NY teams having the advantage (LIU would probably have a 7-3 edge, though). I think OSC is down to winning only 3 out of 10 against the top NY teams now, and only 2 out of 10 against LIU.

Dumb de dumb dumb, DUMB. I PLAY kickball on a field and until this iB squad lines up against any team, your opinion means exactly jack squat.

[-APBT-]

IB really needs to join Monument. It'd be one of the toughest divisions in the country.

I'm optimistic MT will be able to hang with DC's top 2. We could have a really good tournament team, and our division team probably won't be too shabby, either. We'll see, though.

We really tried to do both, but schedules didn't allow it to happen. Trust me, I would much rather drive to DC on a Sunday then on a Thursday night from out my way.

[pDuncOnYourFace]

I wouldn't overlook OSC in a tourney

they still have a lineup that looks like

Joe, Paul P, Josh (Joe's Brother), Bill, Ever, Cisco, (possibly Dan Youhas), Dwyer, Wilner

Good luck shutting that down

[JellyDogg]

We really tried to do both, but schedules didn't allow it to happen. Trust me, I would much rather drive to DC on a Sunday then on a Thursday night from out my way.

That's too bad, but I understand. It would have been epic.

[The Slam]

Not trolling. Just calling it like I see it. I know who iB has. I know who LIU, IJTI2, and NYSH have. I don't think iB can beat those three teams on a regular basis. I think you're right there with IJTI2 and NYSH. It would probably be 6-4 in a ten game series with the NY teams having the advantage (LIU would probably have a 7-3 edge, though). I think OSC is down to winning only 3 out of 10 against the top NY teams now, and only 2 out of 10 against LIU.

So you think an iB team, which includes the South Florida M2S team members who beat TI2 12-2, would lose a ten game series to them? Haha.

I think one thing to consider is how teams match up vs each other. It's not unheard of for Team A to always beat Team B, but Team C always beats Team A and never beats Team B.

[-APBT-]

Not trolling. Just calling it like I see it. I know who iB has. I know who LIU, IJTI2, and NYSH have. I don't think iB can beat those three teams on a regular basis. I think you're right there with IJTI2 and NYSH. It would probably be 6-4 in a ten game series with the NY teams having the advantage (LIU would probably have a 7-3 edge, though). I think OSC is down to winning only 3 out of 10 against the top NY teams now, and only 2 out of 10 against LIU.

So you think an iB team, which includes the South Florida M2S team members who beat TI2 12-2, would lose a ten game series to them? Haha.

I think one thing to consider is how teams match up vs each other. It's not unheard of for Team A to always beat Team B, but Team C always beats Team A and never beats Team B.

Somehow Stevie, this actually does make sense and that is exactly why we PLAY the game! Love the interviews btw....it makes old farts liek me that don't care to argue anymore have something interesting to read, respond to and well if anything at all help me not work!

[Catch-22]

Not trolling. Just calling it like I see it. I know who iB has. I know who LIU, IJTI2, and NYSH have. I don't think iB can beat those three teams on a regular basis. I think you're right there with IJTI2 and NYSH. It would probably be 6-4 in a ten game series with the NY teams having the advantage (LIU would probably have a 7-3 edge, though). I think OSC is down to winning only 3 out of 10 against the top NY teams now, and only 2 out of 10 against LIU.

So you think an iB team, which includes the South Florida M2S team members who beat TI2 12-2, would lose a ten game series to them? Haha.

I think one thing to consider is how teams match up vs each other. It's not unheard of for Team A to always beat Team B, but Team C always beats Team A and never beats Team B.

I agree. But Trey wasn't saying that. He was just saying although Team A beat Team B 12-2, he thinks Team B would win 6 of the next 9 games they'd play, which sounds dumb to me.

[pDuncOnYourFace]

I'm looking forward to dynamics of Chill and Catch 22 playing on the same team

[JellyDogg]

I wouldn't overlook OSC in a tourney

they still have a lineup that looks like

Joe, Paul P, Josh (Joe's Brother), Bill, Ever, Cisco, (possibly Dan Youhas), Dwyer, Wilner

Good luck shutting that down

I'm looking forward to seeing them in action on Sundays this season. I think OSC is still the top dog in DC until someone proves otherwise. The losses will hurt OSC at least initially. We'll see how quickly the new recruits pick up the game (if at all). With the new additions, IB has certainly narrowed the gap, though.

[Trey it Up]

I heard about that game. I heard TI2 gave up roughly 10 runs on drops in the OF due to the wind. iB won't have that wind in every game of a 10 game series. I saw a lot of lopsided scores that day because one team seemed to catch some breaks with the wind. TI2's defense is quite a bit better than iB's defense. No question about that.