WAKA Founders' Cup Pool Play Analysis -- Pools 9-12

[Lock it Up Mikey]

To be quite honest I'd rather have a catcher that was able to throw out 1/3 of lead off runners rather than a catcher that could kick out 1/3 of lead off runners.

Um. 1/3 = 1/3.

I think Trey means throws that are not perfectly executed are usually a lot less damaging than errant kicks.

[machinegunkelly]

A bad throw is better than a bad kick

[kim dude]

Yeah, the difference is in what the other 2/3 costs you.

[Jared It Up!]

That guy kicked me out and I felt like I laid down a great bunt. I guess it wasn't great enough.

I think we took 2nd on one of his bad kicks, but I could be wrong.

[Paniky 69er]

To be quite honest I'd rather have a catcher that was able to throw out 1/3 of lead off runners rather than a catcher that could kick out 1/3 of lead off runners.

Um. 1/3 = 1/3.

I think Trey means throws that are not perfectly executed are usually a lot less damaging than errant kicks.

Correct.

[Dematas]

I feel like it's def a great idea with nobody on base and very risky with people on.

[Ol Dirty Roy]

As much as I love seeing you two go back and forth, I can verify that Joe is pretty solid with the kickout. While I did not see the one against PDunc as I was in Vegas, I played 1st in the NY tourney and he had 4-5 kickouts during the tourney and only one or two that were off the mark...and those were not far off the mark with no extra bases taken.

"4-5" kickouts in a 6 game tourney doesn't sound like "most of the time," as Ryan describes. He's good, but nobody is successful on kickouts "most of the time."

I guess the point I was trying to make was that when he attempted the kickout, he did it well...and 4-5 kickouts in a tourney is not too shabby (there was 1 or 2 against LIU). I think what was more important to Trey's point, is that he knew when to throw it, kick or just eat it

[Dematas]

As much as I love seeing you two go back and forth, I can verify that Joe is pretty solid with the kickout. While I did not see the one against PDunc as I was in Vegas, I played 1st in the NY tourney and he had 4-5 kickouts during the tourney and only one or two that were off the mark...and those were not far off the mark with no extra bases taken.

"4-5" kickouts in a 6 game tourney doesn't sound like "most of the time," as Ryan describes. He's good, but nobody is successful on kickouts "most of the time."

I guess the point I was trying to make was that when he attempted the kickout, he did it well...and 4-5 kickouts in a tourney is not too shabby (there was 1 or 2 against LIU). I think what was more important to Trey's point, is that he knew when to throw it, kick or just eat it

The princess looks dead in your avatar, hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Zak]

I feel like it's def a great idea with nobody on base and very risky with people on.

Yeah, they switch things up with runners in base.

[Typod]

This is the most awesome/stupid argument Ive ever seen. I hope this guy kicks out like 80% of runners in Vegas just to prove a point.

Hmm, doesn't have anything to do with the fact that your rivals are in their pool, does it?

No not at all, Nothing would make me happier than to see GFC sweep pool play. We're bitter rivals, but not that kind of rivals. We all are good friends, theres at least 3 couples that are involved in cross rivalry dating as we speak.

I'm just laughing at this argument a bit, and now want to see this guy break ground and set some new standard.

[Dematas]

I feel like it's def a great idea with nobody on base and very risky with people on.

Yeah, they switch things up with runners in base.

I know, we played them at K365 open.

[LOTION]

I remember the KA catcher kicking a lot of balls to 1st base when we played them in the semi-final last year. Is this the same catcher??

[JellyDogg]

I remember the KA catcher kicking a lot of balls to 1st base when we played them in the semi-final last year. Is this the same catcher??

No, that's Bill, and he is on The Others. Joe is BSC's kicking catcher.

[LOTION]

oh alright

[Dematas]

I remember the KA catcher kicking a lot of balls to 1st base when we played them in the semi-final last year. Is this the same catcher??

And he attempted a kickout at K365 that went very wrong.

[JellyDogg]

I remember the KA catcher kicking a lot of balls to 1st base when we played them in the semi-final last year. Is this the same catcher??

And he attempted a kickout at K365 that went very wrong.

He got all of that one.

[Dematas]

I remember the KA catcher kicking a lot of balls to 1st base when we played them in the semi-final last year. Is this the same catcher??

And he attempted a kickout at K365 that went very wrong.

He got all of that one.

[machinegunkelly]

I remember the KA catcher kicking a lot of balls to 1st base when we played them in the semi-final last year. Is this the same catcher??

Bill kicked us a homerun last year in the semi finals

[Jeffreytiki]

Kicking infielders can be successful with a bigger 1B!!!!

[Catch-22]

Because I truly enjoy arguing with JDogg, when I said "most of the time", I didn't mean most of the time people bunt. I meant most of the time people bunt and Joe is able to attempt a kick, he gets people out with it. Most of the time in general, he doesn't even get to attempt the kickout. Once someone gets on, then I play catcher.

[Catch-22]

Kicking infielders can be successful with a bigger 1B!!!!

That's why we play two first basemen when Joe's at catcher.

[Dematas]

Kicking infielders can be successful with a bigger 1B!!!!

That's why we play two first basemen when Joe's at catcher.

Yeah, Jeffereytiki is one tall mofo though.

[JellyDogg]

I remember the KA catcher kicking a lot of balls to 1st base when we played them in the semi-final last year. Is this the same catcher??

Bill kicked us a homerun last year in the semi finals

PDunc kicked you guys a leadoff HR in the quarterfinals.

[Zak]

Kicking infielders can be successful with a bigger 1B!!!!

damn near every way of getting the ball to 1st base is more successful with a bigger 1B

[Catch-22]

I feel like it's def a great idea with nobody on base and very risky with people on.

Yeah, they switch things up with runners in base.

I know, we played them at K365 open.

We had a couple boneheaded plays in the first inning against you guys. Instead of tagging out the runner going to second, our first baseman threw the ball home with two outs. That play cost us a couple runs b/c I think the throw went wide too.

[Dematas]

I feel like it's def a great idea with nobody on base and very risky with people on.

Yeah, they switch things up with runners in base.

I know, we played them at K365 open.

We had a couple boneheaded plays in the first inning against you guys. Instead of tagging out the runner going to second, our first baseman threw the ball home with two outs. That play cost us a couple runs b/c I think the throw went wide too.

Yeah, but my fav was the guy who strike out looking. I believe that happened, yes?

[Catch-22]

I feel like it's def a great idea with nobody on base and very risky with people on.

Yeah, they switch things up with runners in base.

I know, we played them at K365 open.

We had a couple boneheaded plays in the first inning against you guys. Instead of tagging out the runner going to second, our first baseman threw the ball home with two outs. That play cost us a couple runs b/c I think the throw went wide too.

Yeah, but my fav was the guy who strike out looking. I believe that happened, yes?

Yeah. Joe's brother Josh. In fairness, he had just moved to the area and it was literally his first ever adult kickball action that day. He's gotten a lot better. But yes. Terrible strikeout.

[Dematas]

Ok, either way, that was hilarious, not sure who, but some of your crew was shaking their heads and talking to themselves.

[JellyDogg]

We had a couple boneheaded plays in the first inning against you guys. Instead of tagging out the runner going to second, our first baseman threw the ball home with two outs. That play cost us a couple runs b/c I think the throw went wide too.

Good think he didn't kick it wide. That's way worse than throwing it wide, I hear.

[Catch-22]

We had a couple boneheaded plays in the first inning against you guys. Instead of tagging out the runner going to second, our first baseman threw the ball home with two outs. That play cost us a couple runs b/c I think the throw went wide too.

Good think he didn't kick it wide. That's way worse than throwing it wide, I hear.

Especially if you do both of them 2/3 of the time.

Kicking it wide is pretty hard to do though with 2 first basemen. It's sailing it over our heads that is the concern.

Or the second baseman's head in some cases...

[KILF Hunter]

Yeah, but my fav was the guy who strike out looking. I believe that happened, yes?

Yeah. Joe's brother Josh. In fairness, he had just moved to the area and it was literally his first ever adult kickball action that day. He's gotten a lot better. But yes. Terrible strikeout.

It wasn't Josh, it was Elder that struck out looking. There is a reason he bats 14th in our lineup. Q struck out looking against us in our One Night Stand game, I guess it happens (not to me though).

[KILF Hunter]

I am looking forward to a competitive Group #9.

[Catch D]

Everyone agrees kicking can be deadly on both the offensive and defensive sides...I know you guys 'play 2 first basemen' but I don't think they should be allowed to stand in the base patch, especially considering on an over kick the runner is usually going to take 2nd and can be slowed up by a properly placed decoy attempting to back up the kick.

It was controversial at k365 and I don't think anyone ever wants to get hurt, but slowing up a runner is always something that can help the defense (please also see HW in SFKO 2!!)

[Dematas]

Everyone agrees kicking can be deadly on both the offensive and defensive sides...I know you guys 'play 2 first basemen' but I don't think they should be allowed to stand in the base patch, especially considering on an over kick the runner is usually going to take 2nd and can be slowed up by a properly placed decoy attempting to back up the kick.

It was controversial at k365 and I don't think anyone ever wants to get hurt, but slowing up a runner is always something that can help the defense (please also see HW in SFKO 2!!)

You watch your tone little lady.

[machinegunkelly]

I remember the KA catcher kicking a lot of balls to 1st base when we played them in the semi-final last year. Is this the same catcher??

Bill kicked us a homerun last year in the semi finals

PDunc kicked you guys a leadoff HR in the quarterfinals.

I guess I have my games confused...I am pretty sure thou that bill kicked 1 or 2 in rf against us...

[Catch-22]

Everyone agrees kicking can be deadly on both the offensive and defensive sides...I know you guys 'play 2 first basemen' but I don't think they should be allowed to stand in the base patch, especially considering on an over kick the runner is usually going to take 2nd and can be slowed up by a properly placed decoy attempting to back up the kick.

It was controversial at k365 and I don't think anyone ever wants to get hurt, but slowing up a runner is always something that can help the defense (please also see HW in SFKO 2!!)

I don't stand in the basepath as the 2nd first baseman. I stand in foul territory. The collision against MiH was a one-time thing. It was totally my fault. I'm glad the other guy didn't get hurt. I'll be sure to stay clear of the basepath in future games with it.

[Catch D]

Hi Dematas!!!

Thanks Catch-22! Just want to ensure a fair game!! It should be pretty exciting and you wouldn't call it cheating or distracting if we play "Just Like A Prayer" or try to offer you guys beers in the beginning of the tournament, right?!!

[pDuncOnYourFace]

I remember the KA catcher kicking a lot of balls to 1st base when we played them in the semi-final last year. Is this the same catcher??

Bill kicked us a homerun last year in the semi finals

PDunc kicked you guys a leadoff HR in the quarterfinals.

I guess I have my games confused...I am pretty sure thou that bill kicked 1 or 2 in rf against us...

I played catcher for menace last year in vegas.. yes the one you crushed us 8-1.

he's talking about how I tried to kick out your lead off kicker and he ended up getting a homerun
For the record, I'm slightly better at kickouts these days. Although I only attempt it when the kick is up the 1b line and I have no other way of getting the person out.

Bill (others catcher) was kicking for KA that tourney. I think he had 6-7 kickouts against young guns.

[-TK-]

Hi Dematas!!!

Thanks Catch-22! Just want to ensure a fair game!! It should be pretty exciting and you wouldn't call it cheating or distracting if we play "Just Like A Prayer" or try to offer you guys beers in the beginning of the tournament, right?!!

As the official Vegas Tricky Bunny/Meatball fan club- I will be handing out beer and blasting "Like a Prayer" on the sidelines of that game!

[Catch-22]

Hi Dematas!!!

Thanks Catch-22! Just want to ensure a fair game!! It should be pretty exciting and you wouldn't call it cheating or distracting if we play "Just Like A Prayer" or try to offer you guys beers in the beginning of the tournament, right?!!

Haha, no problem at all. It's only a matter of time until that tourney has to deal with drunk shirtless, BSCers. The sooner, the better, right?