Tourney Update

[kim dude]

AO picks up a bunch of Emperor's Club players...gets good.
AO loses a bunch of Emperor's Club players...not so good.

Coincidence?

i think not!!

ok but really i have not seen the club play and i dont know anything about "that side of the water" but if the club played in recess or even shore...how would they do? honest question

Well when you lose almost half your roster at once, it's kinda hard to start right back strong. Especially when the players you picked up to fill those spots don't come to the games. I'd give EC a top of the midtier spot in Recess with their spring roster.

AO will stick around, we're moving to Southside while we figure out what we're gonna do with the team. Sadly, with Molly leaving this leaves only 3 players who have been with the team every season.

[Bacchus]

yea that sucks. it definitely doesnt help when there are some teams in recess that do a GREAT job recruiting players (aka taking players) from other teams.

i have not seen EC play. I dont think we played them during Tidey Bowl (i understand it was a loooong time ago but thats all i have to base things on) recess was a very tough division this past season.

i wish the best for AO in southside

[The Scorekeeper]

isn't AO getting earline and wheels from third string?

[kim dude]

isn't AO getting earline and wheels from third string?

I know Earline is returning, not sure about Wheels. We got Wilkinson too. Earline's got a few stripes (I wish we would change to stars or at least move them to the sleeve), it will be good to have her back.

[krabbas]

You could use a better example for comparison than a 2 year old tourney that was after our 2nd season ever. I think GK did a good job highlighting our roster and how much we've changed since then (ex. We had no idea how to defend 1st to 3rd. No one did that on the Peninsula at that time).

A more recent comparison would be our performance in the Peninsula Open in Sept. We beat Chris Brown in pool play and Sloppy in the semis. Our only 2 losses came from a stacked 3rd String squad that had Scott, Jelly, and others with them. (Not taking anything away from 3rd String. But your Peninsula Open team was definitely stronger than your Recess team.)

**** BTW this post never happened ****

[Paniky 69er]

I don't think the Peninsula Open paints any better picture than the Tidey Bowl from two years ago. Tiki, Sloppy, The Core, and Panik Attack would beat the 3rd String team that won the Peninsula Open by 2-3 runs. We'll get an opportunity to see exactly where Emperor's Club stacks up at TKO III, though.

[The Scorekeeper]

how about emperor's club at the K365 open last year? how would they compare, brent?

[antw00]

how about emperor's club at the K365 open last year? how would they compare, brent?

We had a hybrid team with AO. 2-1 in pool play, then I think we won a game in the afternoon, then lost. Or lost the first game. I just remember loving that weather and drinking.

[krabbas]

I don't think the Peninsula Open paints any better picture than the Tidey Bowl from two years ago. Tiki, Sloppy, The Core, and Panik Attack would beat the 3rd String team that won the Peninsula Open by 2-3 runs. We'll get an opportunity to see exactly where Emperor's Club stacks up at TKO III, though.

I'm not saying that The Emperors Club is the best. But it's silly to say that a tourney from Sept isn't any better picture than the 2008 Tidey Bowl. Sloppy didn't get the chance to beat that 3rd String team by 2-3 runs because we beat them in the semis. So, that afternoon we beat a team that is in the top 30 of the country (according to McCoy's poll) and that doesn't paint a better picture than our first ever tourney two years ago? Ok ...The Emperors Club of 2010 would beat The Emperors Club of 2008 by 15 runs.

I stand by what Kim and George said. The VIPs would finish no lower than 6th in this past Recess.

[Paniky 69er]

Sloppy from Recess is not the Sloppy that played in the Peninsula Open. They have added a ton of solid players since then. I don't doubt that EC would have finished in the top six in Recess, I just don't think they would have finished in the top four.

[hpthokie757]

It's really ignorant to try and say a tourney from 2 years ago is a better benchmark than last fall. Even that tournament we were playing with out two of our fastest players and we still managed to pull off a win against Sloppy. We are by far better than our team that was playing then compared to our coming spring team. Our spring team would beat that "3rd String" ringer team any day of the week.

Besides Panik and the Core (who I still think we have a shot against though slim) theres no other team that I would say hands down would beat this Spring's EC team. If you want to say that Sloppy has added more solid players since then well so have we so that's a null point. I really feel Sloppy is in the same tier EC would be in. Sloppy beat Tiki this season and also tied Panik so like I said we could very easily be a top 4 team at our best. Sloppy isn't a slouch team by any means. Another reference point of comparison is VIDF. VIDF only lost 1-0 to Tiki, and who are the core componenets to that team ??? 1B, Charger, and Pitcher all EC players. There is no person on VIDF that we don't have an improved player in that position in the field so to say we couldn't break into the top 4 is definitely an understatement. We are certainly capable of bumping out some quality teams across the water,

[kim dude]

Who the fuck is this Krabbas person? To me the true test is: in a year from now, which teams will still exist?

[antw00]

Who the fuck is this Krabbas person? To me the true test is: in a year from now, which teams will still exist?

LOL, I hear this mysterious krabbas is a stud.
I think the VIPs would beat VicdaFeet, but that's hard to tell because it's the same P, Ch, 1B combo. The VIP catcher is infinitely better than VicDaFeet catcher, so that's why I say EC > VidF. ViDF = 6th in Recess, therefore EC > or = 6th in Recess.

I think we may get the VIPs to play in Shore in Fall 2010, but there are some key players we need to commit to that. Then all questions can be put to bed.
And don't use TKO III as the benchmark for EC, I'm not playing charger and 1B is out. I'm not saying I make the whole team, but EC is different team when we switch up positions.

[Bacchus]

ok sloppy in that tourney IS NOT sloppy that was playing fall 09 or who we are now. I dont even remember who was on that team b/c i wasnt there. i was at a wedding. i was just asking a question b/c i have never seen you guys play.

i also dont think that the 3rd string team that was at the tourney should be recognized at the same team playing now....b/c they are not.

[krabbas]

It looked like it was same core group of Sloppies (Jon, Daniel, James, the big guy, Keith) plus some add-ons (Bundy, Dave). I have no doubt that it wasn't their full squad though. And as GK pointed out, we weren't with our full squad either. How many tourneys does everyone have their full team for? It's all beside the point. The point wasn't to say that EC is better than Sloppy. The point is to say that EC is on the same level with them and would be able to hang with any squad in Recess... And also, it's a lot better indicator of The Emperor Club's ability than a two year old tournament that we played when were still green as hell.

[Bacchus]

i understand what you are saying brent. i dont know why sloppy of all teams you must compare yourself. thats not the issue though. dont compare yourself to sloppy or to anyone else just do it. trey is right...(wow i just said that) we have added a lot more talent but we are also playing much more like a team. you guys should not be judged on 2 years ago at all. i hope you play in TKO

[Paniky 69er]

you guys should not be judged on 2 years ago at all. i hope you play in TKO

they don't want to be judged by tko.

[krabbas]

Kate, you contradict yourself. First you want to know how good we are relative to the talent on the other side of the water. To best illustrate that I reference the most recent time we've played teams from the southside... Then you say, don't compare yourself to sloppy, just do it. Well which is it? Do you want to know the answer to the question or not?

I only used sloppy as the comparison, because Sloppy has a name that people respect. I don't think if I said, 'we went 14-0 in the Peninsula Division last season' that would mean anything to anyone. But when we say we beat Sloppy, it means something. It may not have been the full squad. And if we played 10 times who knows how many times we would win. That's not the point... The original question was 'how good are you guys really?' and that's a relevant example of a time we beat a team that everyone knows.

I don't have a problem being judged by TKO. Even without Ant and Patrick, we'll be competitive. And if we don't have a good showing, than it is what it is.

[hpthokie757]

Ant, one of points of bringing up VIDF is that they wouldn't have even been a competitive team without our players playing for them. Any of our other starting players match up better than anyone of the other fielded by VIDF. Without VIP's supporting that squad they wouldn't have had much of a shot which was one of the reasons you didn't want to back out on them when I had everyone together for the VIP's down to play together for recess last minute.

Kate, like Brent was saying, we weren't trying to compare Sloppy just to call them out or anything. I was just trying to use a more recent tournament for comparison than a 2 year old tournament from our second season of kickball that Trey was trying to use. We all know that both teams have improved since then, again it was just a better reference point than using a two year old tournament. I think EC is a top team in the second tier of teams in this past recess season and just like Sloppy has the ability to knock out some of the top tier teams or play right with them like you all did so can EC. We're also not trying to be all talk like you're trying to make us out to be, we actually were one of the first teams paid and signed up for TKO if you haven't noticed. What team we'll have will be another story because like I said before we're already out two starters but I still think we'll be alright but definitely not as good as with Patrick and Ant there.

Trey, obviously we don't want to be judged by TKO if that representative is you. You'll try to pull some other random fact from year's ago and try to make it some how relevant to a current team. lol

[kim dude]

You're so gonna get fired

[krabbas]

You're so gonna get fired

By Bank of America? Probably, because I am posting this from the office right now.

[kim dude]

You're so gonna get fired

By Bank of America? Probably, because I am posting this from the office right now.

No by WAKA, Mr. Rulebreaker. I'm gonna call Kristen right now.

[antw00]

You're so gonna get fired

By Bank of America? Probably, because I am posting this from the office right now.

No by WAKA, Mr. Rulebreaker. I'm gonna call Kristen right now.

dayum! snap! Do I sense some animosity toward the former AO pitcher?!
You can always go work for Lehman Brothers

[krabbas]

You're so gonna get fired

By Bank of America? Probably, because I am posting this from the office right now.

No by WAKA, Mr. Rulebreaker. I'm gonna call Kristen right now.

dayum! snap! Do I sense some animosity toward the former AO pitcher?!
You can always go work for Lehman Brothers

What are you talking about? My name is Jeff White.

[Paniky 69er]

Trey, obviously we don't want to be judged by TKO if that representative is you. You'll try to pull some other random fact from year's ago and try to make it some how relevant to a current team. lol

I was saying you didn't want to be judged by your performance at TKO III because that's what Ant said earlier. So I think so far we are supposed to judge or not judge EC on the following appearances:

1. Tidey Bowl - Don't Judge: Because you had only been playing kickball together for two seasons (despite losing to a Blue Balls team that had only been together for two seasons).
2. Peninsula Open - Judge: Because you finished in 2nd place behind the 7th place Recess team, and beat a Sloppy team that currently has about 60% of the same players. Some of those same Sloppy players went on to place 5th in Recess this season.
3. TKO III - Don't Judge: Because you'll be missing two players.

Is that right?

[krabbas]

Trey, obviously we don't want to be judged by TKO if that representative is you. You'll try to pull some other random fact from year's ago and try to make it some how relevant to a current team. lol

I was saying you didn't want to be judged by your performance at TKO III because that's what Ant said earlier. So I think so far we are supposed to judge or not judge EC on the following appearances:

1. Tidey Bowl - Don't Judge: Because you had only been playing kickball together for two seasons (despite losing to a Blue Balls team that had only been together for two seasons).
2. Peninsula Open - Judge: Because you finished in 2nd place behind the 7th place Recess team, and beat a Sloppy team that currently has about 60% of the same players. Some of those same Sloppy players went on to place 5th in Recess this season.
3. TKO III - Don't Judge: Because you'll be missing two players.

Is that right?

1. If you want an opinion of how good the 2010 EC is, than you shouldn't use the Tidey Bowl as a reference point. That's like saying The New York Giants were the best team in 2009 and then supporting it by saying because they won the 2007 Super Bowl. The only thing the Tidey Bowl should be used to go by is if the question was 'How good were the VIPs in 2008?'
2. Peninsula Open - We beat Sloppy and Chris Brown and lost to a very good Third String Team that had Scott, Bevin, and Jelly among others on thier roster. So if you can't give us credit the win against Sloppy because only 2/3rds of that team is the same now, than how can you downgrade us for losing to a team that had upgrades at several of their key positions?
3. TKO - You can judge us on any tournament that we enter under The Emperors Club name, regardless of who is there or not.

I'm pretty sure you're just posting this stuff at this point for shits and giggles. There is no way you actually think that the 2008 Tidey Bowl is an accurate reflection of how good the 2010 Emperors Club is.

But just to entertain you, here are some of our players who play in Shore, Southside, and Recess.

P - Brent (ViDF)
Ch - Anthony (ViDF)
C - Randy (OLK)
1B - Patrick (ViDF)
Females - Nicole (Sloppy), Molly (AO), Lorraine (AO)

That core group surrounded by other good athletes who don't play anywhere other than Peninsula can't hang with Tiki, Sloppy, or OLK? C'mon. (Again, not saying EC is better than anyone in this group. Just saying we could hang with them.)

[Paniky 69er]

I'm not arguing that EC could "hang" with the 2nd tier teams in Recess and Shore. I think EC would lose 5 out of 5 against PA and the Core, 4 out of 5 against Tiki and OLK, 3 out of 5 against Sloppy. They'd be favored against any of the other teams in the division.

[machinegunkelly]

I've never seen EC play but if you want respect then do something in a open tourney or the fc and people will give u respect...till then no one cares

[BetsyHymanDixon]

Ant, one of points of bringing up VIDF is that they wouldn't have even been a competitive team without our players playing for them. Any of our other starting players match up better than anyone of the other fielded by VIDF. Without VIP's supporting that squad they wouldn't have had much of a shot which was one of the reasons you didn't want to back out on them when I had everyone together for the VIP's down to play together for recess last minute.

Kate, like Brent was saying, we weren't trying to compare Sloppy just to call them out or anything. I was just trying to use a more recent tournament for comparison than a 2 year old tournament from our second season of kickball that Trey was trying to use. We all know that both teams have improved since then, again it was just a better reference point than using a two year old tournament. I think EC is a top team in the second tier of teams in this past recess season and just like Sloppy has the ability to knock out some of the top tier teams or play right with them like you all did so can EC. We're also not trying to be all talk like you're trying to make us out to be, we actually were one of the first teams paid and signed up for TKO if you haven't noticed. What team we'll have will be another story because like I said before we're already out two starters but I still think we'll be alright but definitely not as good as with Patrick and Ant there.

Trey, obviously we don't want to be judged by TKO if that representative is you. You'll try to pull some other random fact from year's ago and try to make it some how relevant to a current team. lol

this is such a stupid comment. Brent, Ant, and Pat are amazing players but to say we wouldnt have a squad without them is ridiculous. Do you have a few players better than our core group? Yes. But to say you have better players for every position is plain dumb.

[krabbas]

I've never seen EC play but if you want respect then do something in a open tourney or the fc and people will give u respect...till then no one cares

I couldn't agree more. But that doesn't make for interesting threads on internet message boards dedicated to kickball, does it?

[Paniky 69er]

BHD getting in on the smack talk! I love it!

[antw00]

this is such a stupid comment. Brent, Ant, and Pat are amazing players but to say we wouldnt have a squad without them is ridiculous. Do you have a few players better than our core group? Yes. But to say you have better players for every position is plain dumb.

HEY! Aren't you supposed to be relaxing on the beaches of Hawaii with a umbrella drink?
I'm jealous!

[Dematas]

I've never seen EC play but if you want respect then do something in a open tourney or the fc and people will give u respect...till then no one cares

Well said.

[machinegunkelly]

I've never seen EC play but if you want respect then do something in a open tourney or the fc and people will give u respect...till then no one cares

I couldn't agree more. But that doesn't make for interesting threads on internet message boards dedicated to kickball, does it?

No it doesn't...but for the sake of the message board I will reread every post n make sure to ruffle some EC feathers..

[krabbas]

I'm not arguing that EC could "hang" with the 2nd tier teams in Recess and Shore. I think EC would lose 5 out of 5 against PA and the Core, 4 out of 5 against Tiki and OLK, 3 out of 5 against Sloppy. They'd be favored against any of the other teams in the division.

So for the record, you are completely agreeing with me and GK's projection that the Emperors Club would finish between 3-6 in Recess... We're on the same page.

[hpthokie757]

Betsy, sorry if I came off brash to you talking about VIDF but honestly believe that VIDF wouldn't have been as competitive without the EC players on that team. I also believe even if those players could be cloned we still match up better man for man versus VIDF's starters and I'm saying this as a person who has watched both teams actually play.

Trey, you're trying to distort my comments to make them sound how ever you feel like to put a twist on things. I've never said what to judge or what not to judge, what I'm getting at is that using a tournament from 2 years ago is irrelevant. You're right about the name Blue Balls as team had been around only for two seasons but you're still missing the point of what I'm saying. The 2008 EC team and all of its players had only played their second season of kickball in their life where as the players from Blue Balls have been around playing kickball longer and had been around to see the game and were by far a more seasoned team. As stated before, we also had to play that tournament with 10 players instead of 11 because someone had to leave. Again, it shows the inexperience our team had at that time. The point being in all of this though is that using a 2008 team to compare to our current team is ludicrous. As far as what you said about the Peninsula Open, it's ok to downgrade a win against a team because they don't have all their players there but ok upgrade a loss to a team that took players from other teams like Make It Rain to compete with to improve themselves. Do I have that right? I won't even touch on that any further to save you the embarassment on that one. As far as TKO goes, i never said anything about not judging us in our turnout because we're still going out there to compete and I think we'll still be competitive without them there but it'll be a little more work. Mainly, I'm just getting at that you're not going to see the full potential of what EC has to offer. There was a team however that was notorious for using what players were playing in the field at the time or that weren't there as a basis of what to judge and not judge from games though *cough* MIR *cough*.lol In the end of what you had to say about who would beat who, I can agree with pretty much losing to the PA and Core though I feel we could maybe sneak one from Core. As you've said, we're definitely not a favorite in OLK and Tiki but we are capable of pulling out a win against them but I think our odds are a little better than what you've posted. I slightly disagree with the odds in a Sloppy game. I feel that we're an even team with them and that game is a coin flip to call. So by saying your thoughts on those outcomes of your prediction, thanks for agreeing in a real a$$ backwards way of coming to agreement that EC would be a top second tier team and could have the ability to push for a possible fourth place spot in a best case scenario. lol

Kelly and Dematas, I guess maybe you haven't read where the topic of this thread evolved from. The question was asked, how does EC stack up against the competition over across the water. The issue has nothing to do with earning respect or asking for respect. We were asked a question and are defending our case on it which Trey finally realized he agreed with in the end of it all. lol

[NoShoes]

Look, I'll say again, that EC is legit.

I'll also say that EC would finish better than ViDF. ViDF's new catcher is an awesome pickup, but The EC 1st base/Charger combo beasted the team through the regular season.

Also, this bullshit of a "loaded" 3rd String roster in the Hampton Open needs to get thrown in the garbage. We picked up Scott to fill in for Adam. Bevin came with that package. Mark filled in for Justin. Donna came with Mark.

Scott is a really good charger when he is on, but he played like absolute garbage that day. He did not make game changing outs, and got out 50% of the time. When we played The Core this season, it was like I saw a completely different player!

We beat the VIPs with a better offense, no doubt. With two good lefty bunters in the pirate and JC followed by capable senders such as Jimmy and BEVIN, we capitalized on 45+ year old Freed and Mark's bunting ability to score runs.

Again, EC is legit. Sucks they are lacking players for the TKOIII. I'd hate to see them not do well because of missing players, because I know they'd do well with a full squad.

[Paniky 69er]

As far as what you said about the Peninsula Open, it's ok to downgrade a win against a team because they don't have all their players there but ok upgrade a loss to a team that took players from other teams like Make It Rain to compete with to improve themselves. Do I have that right?

Scott is no better than Adam. If Scott is off, he's the kind of player that can lose games for you because half his throws will end up in the stands. I don't think 3rd String was any better that day than any other day.

I think EC would finish between 6th and 8th in Recess, which would put their record barely above .500. You would have a chance to pick up a win against VIDF or 3rd String, but you'd also run the risk of losing to Ice Cream Headache or Tundrafeet.

To think that EC is better than Sloppy, and capable of placing higher than 6th, is ridiculous to me--considering Sloppy is better than EC at every single skill position.

[machinegunkelly]

How would EC compare there skill players (c, p, 3b, 1b) to the likes of panick n the core. I've seen sloppy play many times n if u r as good as them then u guys can ball...doesn't sound like it thou

[VTDelgado]

As far as what you said about the Peninsula Open, it's ok to downgrade a win against a team because they don't have all their players there but ok upgrade a loss to a team that took players from other teams like Make It Rain to compete with to improve themselves. Do I have that right?

Scott is no better than Adam. If Scott is off, he's the kind of player that can lose games for you because half his throws will end up in the stands. I don't think 3rd String was any better that day than any other day.

I think EC would finish between 6th and 8th in Recess, which would put their record barely above .500. You would have a chance to pick up a win against VIDF or 3rd String, but you'd also run the risk of losing to Ice Cream Headache or Tundrafeet.

To think that EC is better than Sloppy, and capable of placing higher than 6th, is ridiculous to me considering Sloppy is better than EC at every single skill position.

I have to jump in this thread since my team is all over this thread. I'm with Kate, that I actually agree with Trey. Sloppy had its core players in the Peninsula Tourney(Me, Jon, Daniel, and Tony) but EC beat us in overtime by only one point. It was pretty much a put together team because we wanted to play kickball on that Saturday and it was for a great cause.

There is a HUGE gap from the 5th team(Sloppy) and the 6th team (Vidf). In our 2 loses, we only gave up a total of 2 runs to both OLK and The Core. We tied Panik. Offensively, both Tiki and Sloppy put the most points against Panik Attack. Defense is great, but scoring points wins the game. What makes you think EC can "hang" with Sloppy if you said that you would lose to both Panik and The Core.