Tourney Update

[hpthokie757]

For some reason this never got posted so it's a little out dated.

Sloppy, the point of bringing up our game against you all was to use a better reference than an outdated 2008 tourney Trey was using. Like James was saying, you all were missing people and so were we. I think you guys have a vastly improved team now and definitely have a better team than what we got to see back at that tournament but I think with time we've improved just the same. I feel this season's EC is capable of stacking up just as evenly as you all have this past season. I am in no way trying to downgrade your team at all but I'm just stating that we're capable of playing very similiar games against teams as you all did this past recess division. Just like you all had some chances against big teams this past season we would have those same opportunities. I think we're very capable of sneaking a win from top teams just like Sloppy has but again feel those games could be decided either way.

Trey, I've come to conclude everything you say is verbal vomit. You make a lot of specualtion about something you've never even witnessed and hold it as gold. The fact of the matter is watched both sides of the water play for the past 4 or so seasons week to week. We are hands down better than ICH, Tundra and VIDF (who a lot of our key players played for this past season) and have better players at every position than those teams. Hell, the 5 O' Clockers and Foul Balls on our side of the water beat those teams as well. As Kim pointed at there was an AO team that had 50% of it made up of EC players. That same AO team was the heraleded AO team that tied MIR and FB and was making appearances on top 25 national poll. The key players from EC leave that same AO team and AO wasn't a very competitive this past season. That's a pretty big indicator of what EC brings to the table. Trying to accuse of us being "scared" to play across the water is even a bigger joke. You try act as if it's a simple 15-20min drive. In fact on a clear shot day with no traffic it takes 20 mins to make it to Poplar. What you neglected to mention because you want to twist things out of proportion for the out of towners on the board who don't know any better is that we're seperated by the Hampton Roads Bridge Tunnel. This tunnel has major backups during the rush hour traffic which delays the trip about another 20-30mins. We don't live in an ideal world where we all get off work in time to get home and changed for the game and make the ride to the fields through the traffic on time. Some of us have jobs that require us to stay late at times not to mention families and kids that require someone to watch them that also place restrictions to make game times across the water. Hell, there are times we're pushed close to forfeiting because we can barely get our players to peninsula games on time so don't go making it seem like we're "scared" to make the trip. In fact, EC was going to enter last minute to play in Recess this past season when we realized the majority of our team was playing already but Anthony our charger didn't want to leave VIDF hanging after he said he would play for them and that was the ONLY reason EC didn't play this past recess season. Again, at NO POINT have I ever said EC is better than Sloppy so stop trying to twist things around again and trying to create more drama. I believe a game versus the two could go either way, as I stated before, it's a coin flip.

[hpthokie757]

Jboy, we were asked by Kelly about those positional players. I wasn't just throwing it out there just like the whole coversation about EC. We were asked a question and we responded. We never started posting to "brag" like you're trying to make it out to be.

[Bacchus]

first off we didnt "sneak a win". we won. i am very happy you have so much faith in your team but PLEASE dont use my team as a step to stand on. dont say what we have done you guys "could". just do it. we have worked hard & have played hard to get the little respect that we have.

play....win....get respect. dont say would or could...just do

[machinegunkelly]

Trey. Eat a fart.

[BetsyHymanDixon]

EC is a good team, I've seen them play in the Hampton Tourney...I was on SLoppy. The way Recess is, any of the middle teams could beat each other at any given time.

[Bacchus]

i like you and i like the EC players (obviously nicole is my favorite) but there is a lot to be said and less that has be proven. please just prove it and dont use my team name to try to make a point. sloppy is a disfunctional family...i am irritated that you are trying to say we snuck out these wins but if you actually watched our games you would realize how much talent we do have and how we are finally falling into place. haha the OLK tourney game might have been different if we actually had real refs or did something when we had bases loaded with only 1 out

[krabbas]

brent...basically just show up and play. if you feel better saying that EC is on the same level as sloppy...awesome. i will take that as a compliment. i am irritated b/c we (sloppy) were under estimated all season. WE did something that only one other team could do all season and that NOT lose to PA. We lost by 1 run to OLK and to The Core. Dont say sloppy this and sloppy that just show up and prove yourself. We got a lot of bullshit from people for playing in southside as we built the team but obviously we showed up and proved ourselves in recess. With only 2 losses and we placed 5th....wow Please do the same and you wont have to defend your team on the MB

If you took it as a compliment, than that's exactly what it was intended. SLOPPY IS REALLY GOOD! I don't feel the need to put down other teams in order to elevate my own. Again, you asked us how good we are. I guess the only answer that would've been acceptable to you is 'you'll see'... I don't know. I'm just being as objective as possible when I say that we would've been 6th or better. Not saying we're better than anyone. But based on the players we have and seeing each team play, that's where I'd put us. But I think we already beat that horse...

As far as ducking Shore. That's ridiculous. We're very eager to play against the top competition in the country. Trey, you should know this. On the 2nd day of registration being open you received a $500 paypal transfer from me for TKO. We're looking forward to the open tourneys... And if we don't measure up to our expectations, than we'll deal with it and continue looking to make improvements.

[Paniky 69er]

At catcher, yes, i think it's a fair statement but it's all a matter of opinion. It's just like someone saying they like Tim Lincecum over Zack Greinke. It could be a homer pick their but Randy is definitely just as good.

Why did OLK (who has recruited every decent catcher in Hampton Roads after losing Timmy) not ask Randy to play before they asked Nick from Tundrafeet and Aaron from Ball Breakers? It wasn't until both Nick and Aaron returned to their original teams, that Sal asked Randy to play.

I'm not trying to discredit Randy. He's a solid player. But to put him on a pedestal as the second best Catcher in Recess is a bit unfair to him. I think almost everyone from Recess would agree that they'd rather have Timmy, Aaron, Nick, and Joey over Randy. As for Ant being as good as Larry, I won't even address the absurdity surrounding that comment.

[machinegunkelly]

I don't get why EC wouldn't finish 1st or 2nd since they have one of the top two C/Ch combos in the country. That key ingediant usually brings success...

[McCoy]

I just want to say that I love EC's passion about their team. All competitive teams need to believe in themselves and it is obvious that EC does, that's how it should be. The more competitive teams in Hampton Roads the better, and the more fun (for me at least). I can't wait to watch EC grow and get better and compete against them. EC, don't let some people's comments get under your skin or take them personally...it's just to provide good banter for the boards and it keeps things interesting. Good luck to your team and I look forward to playing against you in the future...hopefully the near future. Lets bring the Tidey Bowl back!

[Bacchus]

1. ant is not better then larry
2. i would take randy over joey any day...even i dont think i have seen randy play but only 1 game
3. brent, i asked how EC was but didnt think the answer would including trying to throw sloppy under the bus. i am glad you and george are super stoked on beating sloppy back in september but like i said obviously that wasnt our team. shit my bro and i werent there and we are part of this "core" you speak of
4. what trey says and types is 90% verbal vomit but george you really are giving him a run for his money today

LAST....jsut play & dont make bullshit excuses if you arent good or dont match up with all the things you are saying on the MB

(really) last....betsy youre in hawaii! stop playing on the MB!!!

[Paniky 69er]

I want to point out something that I find really funny:

In Fall of 09, AO had one of their best finishes in Shore--finishing 4th. Some EC players left AO high and dry at the last minute to start ViDF. ViDF went on to finish 6th in Recess, while AO finished not too far behind them in 8th. EC players attribute the fall of AO to their departure, but never acknowledge the fact that their new team barely finished ahead of them. One must beg the question, since the EC players can't lead a team to a better place than 6th in VA Recess, are they really the most elite defensive unit in all of Virginia Kickball?

[Paniky 69er]

4. what trey says and types is 90% verbal vomit but george you really are giving him a run for his money today

Nice percentage.

[krabbas]

1. ant is not better then larry
2. i would take randy over joey any day...even i dont think i have seen randy play but only 1 game
3. brent, i asked how EC was but didnt think the answer would including trying to throw sloppy under the bus. i am glad you and george are super stoked on beating sloppy back in september but like i said obviously that wasnt our team. shit my bro and i werent there and we are part of this "core" you speak of
4. what trey says and types is 90% verbal vomit but george you really are giving him a run for his money today

LAST....jsut play & dont make bullshit excuses if you arent good or dont match up with all the things you are saying on the MB

(really) last....betsy youre in hawaii! stop playing on the MB!!!

When did we throw Sloppy under the bus? Neither myself nor George has disrespected Sloppy in any way. In fact, I've gone out of my way to give SS the props they well deserve. Please find the quote where I disrespected SS and point it out to me.

[krabbas]

I want to point out something that I find really funny:

In Fall of 09, AO had one of their best finishes in Shore--finishing 4th. Some EC players left AO high and dry at the last minute to start ViDF. ViDF went on to finish 6th in Recess, while AO finished not too far behind them in 8th. EC players attribute the fall of AO to their departure, but never acknowledge the fact that their new team barely finished ahead of them. One must beg the question, since the EC players can't lead a team to a better place than 6th in VA Recess, are they really the most elite defensive unit in all of Virginia Kickball?

1. Recess is a deeper division than Shore. It's not quite Apples to Apples.
2. No one said we have the most elite defensive unit. We hold our own though.

[Bacchus]

thats how i was reading it till i read this post & the last one. that is how i was taking it. i also know that george likes to point out the EC win over sloppy to some of my teammates. i also took it as you guys throwing VIDF under the bus also. basically saying that w/o the EC players they would be nothing i ALSO took it as you guys throwing AO under the bus. if i am reading things wrong i apologize

[Bacchus]

i cant talk about this tourney where you beat sloppy b/c i wasnt there. i also know MOST of my team wasnt there. i also cant talk about tidey bowl b/c we didnt play you guys (i dont think)

[Paniky 69er]

As you've said, we're definitely not a favorite in OLK and Tiki but we are capable of pulling out a win against them but I think our odds are a little better than what you've posted. I slightly disagree with the odds in a Sloppy game.

[krabbas]

thats how i was reading it till i read this post & the last one. that is how i was taking it. i also know that george likes to point out the EC win over sloppy to some of my teammates. i also took it as you guys throwing VIDF under the bus also. basically saying that w/o the EC players they would be nothing i ALSO took it as you guys throwing AO under the bus. if i am reading things wrong i apologize

That wasn't how I was intending to come off. If I was to diss SS, than it only makes our win look weaker. I'd much rather recognize your team's greatness, because that elevates everyone involved in that game (and it was a great one. Wish you would've been there to play in it.)... As far as ViDF and AO. I've had a great time playing with both teams, so I'm definitely not going to say anything negative about either. And they do have some talented players. Certainly, they'd be ok if me, Ant, and Pat, etc went elsewhere... I think ViDF and AO are only relevant to this discussion in that some of the key players for those teams are VIPs. Most people have never seen EC play, but they've seen me, Randy, Ant, George, Patrick, Molly, Nicole, etc. So, it's about creating a frame of reference... But, I wouldn't say that either team would be nothing without us. And I gave George that feedback last night too.

[krabbas]

i cant talk about this tourney where you beat sloppy b/c i wasnt there. i also know MOST of my team wasnt there. i also cant talk about tidey bowl b/c we didnt play you guys (i dont think)

James acknowledged that the core group of your team was in fact there. So, who is making the bullshit excuses now?

[hpthokie757]

Kate, stop getting so defensive. Nobody is "standing on your team" like you're team. You asked a question about where our team would be. Don't ask something you're going to get offended by the answer. It's my belief our team is capable of play similiar to yours and that's my opinion that YOU asked for. Maybe saying "sneak" a win wasn't the best choice and I could see how you would take that wrong but what I'm getting at is close games could go either way and I feel EC could play against top teams that could go either way and capable of pulling out wins too. Again, you asked how we would stand and I've given my opinion and people's opinions are just that, opinions and you're free to take it for what its worth. At no point have I come out and said we're better than Sloppy just that we're capable of playing the same kickball as your team did this past season. As far as this whole, just do it attitude it's a lot easier said than done as explained earlier why it's hard for a Hampton team to field a full team across the water. If it was so simple and not a big inconvienance then you'd see more teams from your side and our side of the water playing in different divisions in different areas.

Betsy, we were asked a question about how the EC would stack up in recess competition. I'm merely responding to something that was asked of us so nobody "is on themselves" if you're responding to a question that asks for an opinion. I'm also speaking as someone who sees both sides of the water compete personally so I'm not coming off the wall with my responses. I think it's great that you've pooled those players together but I still feel EC is better a team but I have no quams with you or feel the need to call you names because you think your team is better which as a kickballer is the attitude you need to have as a competitive person. Again, everyone is entitled to their opinion and I'm just giving mine after being asked for it.

[hpthokie757]

PS, iInow heart McCoy!! lol

Thanks for understanding the situation!

[Bacchus]

thanks brent i didnt make an excuse for the tourney b/c like i said i wasnt there so i didnt see the game play in the game what not. i dont think that the team that played in the tourney reps sloppy very well but as you have said there has been a lot of changes to BOTH of our teams over the past season.

george the way you have been phrasing things did look as you were standing on sloppy. when i say prove it..i didnt say come play in shore or recess just show up to an open tourney and prove it. you will have your own step to stand on and leave sloppy alone! haha

[hpthokie757]

I want to point out something that I find really funny:

In Fall of 09, AO had one of their best finishes in Shore--finishing 4th. Some EC players left AO high and dry at the last minute to start ViDF. ViDF went on to finish 6th in Recess, while AO finished not too far behind them in 8th. EC players attribute the fall of AO to their departure, but never acknowledge the fact that their new team barely finished ahead of them. One must beg the question, since the EC players can't lead a team to a better place than 6th in VA Recess, are they really the most elite defensive unit in all of Virginia Kickball?

Yes, i think its funny cause you failed to realize EC didn't make up half of the VIDF's roster like they did on that AO team.

[hpthokie757]

Ugh, Kate, I think I've clarified plenty of times that I've never said we're better than Sloppy but it's my belief that we're capable of playing just as good kickball. That's pretty much the bottom line of it all, nothing more and nothing less. So again, I apologize if you think otherwise but I definitely have respect for Sloppy and think their a beast squad. I would take it more as a compliment for someone to want to compare their team to my own and not the opposite. lol

[Paniky 69er]

George, can you rank the following top skill position players? Also let us know where the EC skill players that aren't listed fit into the list. Thanks.

Charger:
Larry (PA), Scott (Core), Miah (Tiki), Blake (OLK), Bill (SS), Ant (ViDF)

Catcher
Trey (PA), Timmy (Core), Tyler (Tiki), Nick (OLK), Aaron (OLK), James, (SS)

Pitcher
Dan (PA), Alvin (Core), Larry (Tiki), Blake (OLK), Will (OLK), Dan (SS), Brent (ViDF)

[Bacchus]

i think i have made it clear dont compare just do. thank you for the kind words (now) about sloppy yes i am very protective over my team but that probably is b/c 1/2 of us are family...literally

when i ask a question about how good EC is i though maybe there could be a break down of players not comparing to other teams. maybe we answer certain questions differently

[hpthokie757]

thats how i was reading it till i read this post & the last one. that is how i was taking it. i also know that george likes to point out the EC win over sloppy to some of my teammates. i also took it as you guys throwing VIDF under the bus also. basically saying that w/o the EC players they would be nothing i ALSO took it as you guys throwing AO under the bus. if i am reading things wrong i apologize

Kate, I only bring it up to two of your teammate, Reyes and James. I'm not bragging to them but just busting their balls cause I know it gets under their skin just to mess with them. I know that tourney game could have went either way and we could have went packing home just as easily. Hell, we were f-in clueless what to do when it was time for KC rules and were flipping out scrambling to make decisions what to do cause we've never thought of it before. Also, to put it out there just to mess with James, I almost had him hosed at the plate from the OF had Brent turned and made the throw at the plate on the relay but wasn't expecting the throw to be there. He's blocked it out of his memory but I still remember. lol

[McCoy]

George, can you rank the following top skill position players? Also let us know where the EC skill players that aren't listed fit into the list. Thanks.

Charger:
Larry (PA), Scott (Core), Miah (Tiki), Blake (OSC), Bill (SS), Ant (ViDF)

Catcher
Trey (PA), Timmy (Core), Tyler (Tiki), Nick (OSC), Aaron (OSC), James, (SS)

Pitcher
Dan (PA), Alvin (Core), Larry (Tiki), Blake (OSC), Will (OSC), Dan (SS), Brent (ViDF)

No love.

[Bacchus]

yea i remember....oh wait i wasnt there! haha well good luck to you guys @ TKO. the worse thing that could happen is you dont match up to any of the hype your throwing out there.

[VTDelgado]

i cant talk about this tourney where you beat sloppy b/c i wasnt there. i also know MOST of my team wasnt there. i also cant talk about tidey bowl b/c we didnt play you guys (i dont think)

James acknowledged that the core group of your team was in fact there. So, who is making the bullshit excuses now?

Yes, I did mention 4 core Sloppy players out of 11 played in that tourney. I didn't make any BS excuses.

[machinegunkelly]

George, can you rank the following top skill position players? Also let us know where the EC skill players that aren't listed fit into the list. Thanks.

Charger:
Larry (PA), Scott (Core), Miah (Tiki), Blake (OSC), Bill (SS), Ant (ViDF)

Catcher
Trey (PA), Timmy (Core), Tyler (Tiki), Nick (OSC), Aaron (OSC), James, (SS)

Pitcher
Dan (PA), Alvin (Core), Larry (Tiki), Blake (OSC), Will (OSC), Dan (SS), Brent (ViDF)

Best overall player
Mccoy....nuff said

Fixed

[Paniky 69er]

George, can you rank the following top skill position players? Also let us know where the EC skill players that aren't listed fit into the list. Thanks.

Charger:
Larry (PA), Scott (Core), Miah (Tiki), Blake (OSC), Bill (SS), Ant (ViDF)

Catcher
Trey (PA), Timmy (Core), Tyler (Tiki), Nick (OSC), Aaron (OSC), James, (SS)

Pitcher
Dan (PA), Alvin (Core), Larry (Tiki), Blake (OSC), Will (OSC), Dan (SS), Brent (ViDF)

No love.

I only listed players that played 40% or more of the innings at that position.

[hpthokie757]

As you've said, we're definitely not a favorite in OLK and Tiki but we are capable of pulling out a win against them but I think our odds are a little better than what you've posted. I slightly disagree with the odds in a Sloppy game.

Correct Trey, I did post this but again you're master of magicianary wih cut and past left out the part where I went on to say that i disagreed with your odds against Sloppy cause you had them favored. I really think it's a 50/50 split hence, "a coin toss". It's really turned into a bore to keep responding to your ridiculous posts but way to TRY to instigate something. LAME! lol

[Paniky 69er]

So basically you think you're just as good as Sloppy, right? The point is that most people on this board strongly disagree. Sloppy would beat EC 3 out of 5 times when they're playing "sloppy." It might be a clean sweep if they play five good games in a row--even if EC plays flawless as well.

I still want to see where you think the EC skill players stack up against the top teams in the division. Would you mind doing that for us?

[hpthokie757]

yea i remember....oh wait i wasnt there! haha well good luck to you guys @ TKO. the worse thing that could happen is you dont match up to any of the hype your throwing out there.

It's not hype, you asked a question and you got an answer. Just like you defend Sloppy I'm going to defend EC in my reasoning. It mostly wouldn't have even cared (not saying I wouldn't have responded, lol) if Trey wasn't trying to compare a bunk tournament from back in '08 as an indicator for this year's team.

[VTDelgado]

thats how i was reading it till i read this post & the last one. that is how i was taking it. i also know that george likes to point out the EC win over sloppy to some of my teammates. i also took it as you guys throwing VIDF under the bus also. basically saying that w/o the EC players they would be nothing i ALSO took it as you guys throwing AO under the bus. if i am reading things wrong i apologize

Kate, I only bring it up to two of your teammate, Reyes and James. I'm not bragging to them but just busting their balls cause I know it gets under their skin just to mess with them. I know that tourney game could have went either way and we could have went packing home just as easily. Hell, we were f-in clueless what to do when it was time for KC rules and were flipping out scrambling to make decisions what to do cause we've never thought of it before. Also, to put it out there just to mess with James, I almost had him hosed at the plate from the OF had Brent turned and made the throw at the plate on the relay but wasn't expecting the throw to be there. He's blocked it out of his memory but I still remember. lol

[krabbas]

i cant talk about this tourney where you beat sloppy b/c i wasnt there. i also know MOST of my team wasnt there. i also cant talk about tidey bowl b/c we didnt play you guys (i dont think)

James acknowledged that the core group of your team was in fact there. So, who is making the bullshit excuses now?

Yes, I did mention 4 core Sloppy players out of 11 played in that tourney. I didn't make any BS excuses.

No, I know you didn't James. I was referring to Kate's statement about us not making bullshit excuses if we suck in the open tourneys. And then the next post she said MOST of Sloppy wasn't there.

But really, Sloppy did represent at the POT. You guys played great all day. Raised money for an excellent cause. And made it to the semis before falling to a team that matched up with them very well. No reason to make excuses for that. You guys had a great tourney and I have massive respect for you all.

[G-Ray]

George, can you rank the following top skill position players? Also let us know where the EC skill players that aren't listed fit into the list. Thanks.

Charger:
Larry (PA), Scott (Core), Miah (Tiki), Blake (OSC), Bill (SS), Ant (ViDF)

Catcher
Trey (PA), Timmy (Core), Tyler (Tiki), Nick (OSC), Aaron (OSC), James, (SS)

Pitcher
Dan (PA), Alvin (Core), Larry (Tiki), Blake (OSC), Will (OSC), Dan (SS), Brent (ViDF)

No love.

I dont want to hear it mccoy.

[Zak]

George, can you rank the following top skill position players? Also let us know where the EC skill players that aren't listed fit into the list. Thanks.

Charger:
Larry (PA), Scott (Core), Miah (Tiki), Blake (OSC), Bill (SS), Ant (ViDF)

Catcher
Trey (PA), Timmy (Core), Tyler (Tiki), Nick (OSC), Aaron (OSC), James, (SS)

Pitcher
Dan (PA), Alvin (Core), Larry (Tiki), Blake (OSC), Will (OSC), Dan (SS), Brent (ViDF)

OSC? Do you mean OLK or did the Other Shot Callers form a 2nd team and pick up some 757 ringers?