Fully Loaded vs Meatballs next Thursday AGAIN - plus recap!

[sedlak5]

First off I want to give a shout out to my team C'mon Man in their first season of beach. After losing some games the past few weeks that we should have won, we came together advancing to the 2nd round and losing a hard fought battle to the Meatballs 3-0! The Meatballs can flat out play and have yet to give up a run in 9 games of Beach! Fully Loaded advanced after a 1-1 tie with the Midwest Mushroom Stampers went to an accuracy kick - in a game where the ref from the worst team in the league was wearing a skirt! It is disturbing that season after season the referee situation in the 2nd round of the playoff games continues to get worse in Fort Lauderdale kickball!! You always have refs from the 4 worst teams in the league reffing the most competitive round AND their season is over, they would rather be at the bar, and they just don't care as there is no incentive to ref! It makes it even more difficult to mix competitive teams with a "fun" league. With that said, you have your usual suspects in the final 4 next week:

Meatballs -2.5 Fully Loaded O/U 5.5
Balls Deeper -1.5 JKI O/U 5.5

Can Fully Loaded finally get over the hump and knock off the #1 team in the nation? We have also seen some classic Beach games with Balls Deeper and JKI. Will this game go 8 innings 0-0? Should be interesting....yawn....when does Ultra start??

[machinegunkelly]

3-0 blowout

[MEATBALLKEVIN]

3-0 blowout

"i won a FC" - Fazio

hahaha

[Seacat]

Well I woke up this morning still pissed from the game that we “won” last night. To spend the time and money to come out each week to play kickball and to lose the way we did last night is incredible. I don’t care what the scorebook says, the fact we are not playing next week…we won last night 2-1 (and in all honestly it should have really been just 1-0). I honestly can’t believe I’m this pissed over kickball.

For those of you that were not there or did not hear the story:

Score was tied 1-1 in the top of the 6th. I over rounded third, as a Fully Loaded player ran towards me he threw the ball to make the play…I then dove back towards third. When the ball missed it rolled to the fence and I went in for the go ahead score. After the play was finally dead and I scored to make it 2-1, Fully Loaded started complaining that the ball hit me. The third base ref was asked and he said IT DID NOT. So if that is the case and there was an overthrow, please tell me HOW THE RUN DOES NOT COUNT? Either I’m out (which the ref said I was safe) or the run counts. So the refs got all together to discuss (one being a WAKA representative, one wearing a skirt and the other looked like he was 12). When asked for a reasoning on why I had to go back to third, the WAKA representative said it was his “opinion”. When we spend $74 a season, how in the hell should a play in the playoffs of the most competitive division in the country come down to his “opinion”. Either it’s an out or it’s a run.

Which brings me to my next point. MMS has already registered for Riptide division but unless things drastically change this will be our last season with WAKA. As a group based on 21 players and 16 teams, our division spends $24,864 A SEASON to play kickball. For Beach and Riptide (4 seasons throughout the year) that is nearly $100,000. You can’t tell me it costs $24,864 for the fields, insurance and shirts per season. Some of this money NEEDS to start going towards paid refs, who actually know the rules. You can’t have people that don’t know what the hell they are doing reffing the second round games in Beach division.

It’s just frustrating to spend the time, come out each week, practice and to lose on bullshit reasoning. At this point nothing can be changed but my voice is heard. I sent an e-mail stating almost the same things this morning to MLoop and Sarah. I let them know that it is OBVIOUS that people are over WAKA, as you can see it with Riptide. It’s looking like only 12-14 teams are going to register. I guess something needs to change drastically or WAKA is going to lose its competitive edge or any edge at all. I know I’m going to start the convincing process to get my team to Ultra for hopefully the beach season. I understand nothing can happen now but they are going to hear me.

Anyways good luck to the teams next week in the final four. As much as I’m pissed off at WAKA right now, I’ll be there watching the games. There is always more to learn from the best teams!

[MEATBALLKEVIN]

wow.

That sucks for you guys. did FL try to make the argument that it it the fence and should be a dead ball? If so thats bull shit

This is a common story. Dont feel like your team is the only it has ever happened to.I can recall a lot of bad calls that have knocked teams out of playoffs. The 2nd round of beach playoffs historically is the worst umped games ever.

[Trey it Up]

That sucks. I've found it's particularly useful to have a rulebook handy for the first round of tournament games. I'm actually a bit disappointed in Fully Loaded for allowing such a blatant rule violation to stand. I've always been of the mind that if you win by cheating (whether you blatantly cheat or allow unintentional cheating to go unchecked) it's not worth winning. As a Catcher, I have repeatedly corrected head refs bad calls that went against the other team. Whether it's one bounce, not knowing encroachment rule enforcement, not calling the correct strike zone, incorrectly enforcing a double kick, or whatever, it's not worth it to me to win knowing that my team got over on an inexperienced ref.

What makes this circumstance even worse is that it's a paid WAKA employee that doesn't know the rules. If you're making $15,000+ a year to play kickball and do a few other minor tasks, at least know the GD rulebook.

[Seacat]

I'm not going to blame Fully Loaded at all. They played a great game but they definitely did not deserve to win this one. I've heard stories in the past about playoff games going extremely bad. I just don't see how WAKA can not have paid refs. Yes the paid refs will still make bad calls but I would be LESS likely to complain as much if they did.

Fully Loaded was not saying that it hit the fence, they said it hit me while diving back. If it did or didn't, the ref at third said THAT IT DID NOT. In any case if there is an overthrow the runner is allowed to advance no matter what.

Like I said, at this point it is what it is. I'm at least allowed 24-48 hours to bitch.

[Jared It Up!]

MMS, start making some personal attacks to get this thread going. It will help your case.

[Trey it Up]

I'm not going to blame Fully Loaded at all. They played a great game but they definitely did not deserve to win this one. I've heard stories in the past about playoff games going extremely bad. I just don't see how WAKA can not have paid refs. Yes the paid refs will still make bad calls but I would be LESS likely to complain as much if they did.

Fully Loaded was not saying that it hit the fence, they said it hit me while diving back. If it did or didn't, the ref at third said THAT IT DID NOT. In any case if there is an overthrow the runner is allowed to advance no matter what.

Like I said, at this point it is what it is. I'm at least allowed 24-48 hours to bitch.

Yes, but after the refs decided that it definitely did not hit you, Fully Loaded should have corrected them after they enforced the rule incorrectly.

[the smaller twin]

OK, now I have to respond. I like how Kevin asks if we argued that the ball should be a dead ball because it hits the fence and then Trey is disappointed with us for doing so. Where did this come from? LOL. Never once did Evan ever mention that and never once did we ever argue that. I understand Evan is upset but I understand where he is coming from because I have been frustrated with calls many times before.

However now, I have to tell the whole story here. Evan dove back into second base and as I was watching him get up from the base, he took his hands off the bag so I threw the ball at him (As I'm throwing the ball at him I'm thinking "I know none of the refs are even going to see this") and it grazed his shorts. He obviously didn't feel it and once that happened pandemonium pretty much broke out. We were yelling that the ball hit him as he ran toward third and none of the refs really knew what was going on. As he rounded third, he realized my catcher had the ball and lunged back into third. My catcher hit him with the ball in the chest (which was clear as day) and then the ball trickled into foul territory on the third base sideline. Like Evan said, the third base umpire who literally looks like he is 12 stood there like a deer in headlights and then made a safe call (hand gesture, no actual sound) after a few seconds. At that point the homeplate umpire was already on the field trying to calm everything down and had pretty much blown the play dead, whether that is correct or not. The only thing we ever argued is that he was out getting up from second and then was out againt lunging back into third. When the umpires got together to discuss the situation, I figured he was either going to be called out or he would score. From what the homeplate umpire told me, the first base umpire thought he was out at third and he also thought he was out at third but he was not sure. Evan has every right to be upset because his team played really well and it was a disheartening way to lose, but nobody should be accusing me or my team of any wrong doing.

That I have a problem with.

[Trey it Up]

You should have done the right thing, Casey.

[the smaller twin]

Trey,

When the refs blew two calls in our game against you in Virginia that cost us the game, why didn't you correct them?

[Seacat]

Casey. I'm definitely not accusing you guys of anything. You have always been there to help our team or give us guidance. You played a great game it's just an unfortunate way to lose. Like I said before my only problem was that the head ref, who is a WAKA representative, couldn’t give us a clear answer.

And I take what the first base ref says with a grain a salt. He was wearing a skirt, was drinking and had clearly made two TERRIBLE calls earlier in the game going both directions.

At this point it is what it is. I’m hoping we are done with WAKA after next season and we can start getting competitive games weekly with Ultra.

[MEATBALLKEVIN]

OK, now I have to respond. I like how Kevin asks if we argued that the ball should be a dead ball because it hits the fence and then Trey is disappointed with us for doing so. Where did this come from? LOL. Never once did Evan ever mention that and never once did we ever argue that. I understand Evan is upset but I understand where he is coming from because I have been frustrated with calls many times before.

However now, I have to tell the whole story here. Evan dove back into second base and as I was watching him get up from the base, he took his hands off the bag so I threw the ball at him (As I'm throwing the ball at him I'm thinking "I know none of the refs are even going to see this") and it grazed his shorts. He obviously didn't feel it and once that happened pandemonium pretty much broke out. We were yelling that the ball hit him as he ran toward third and none of the refs really knew what was going on. As he rounded third, he realized my catcher had the ball and lunged back into third. My catcher hit him with the ball in the chest (which was clear as day) and then the ball trickled into foul territory on the third base sideline. Like Evan said, the third base umpire who literally looks like he is 12 stood there like a deer in headlights and then made a safe call (hand gesture, no actual sound) after a few seconds. At that point the homeplate umpire was already on the field trying to calm everything down and had pretty much blown the play dead, whether that is correct or not. The only thing we ever argued is that he was out getting up from second and then was out againt lunging back into third. When the umpires got together to discuss the situation, I figured he was either going to be called out or he would score. From what the homeplate umpire told me, the first base umpire thought he was out at third and he also thought he was out at third but he was not sure. Evan has every right to be upset because his team played really well and it was a disheartening way to lose, but nobody should be accusing me or my team of any wrong doing.

That I have a problem with.

hahaha i had to ask.
Reading the MMS post i imagined it as a slide in to 3rd,a ball "missing" the runner and going to the fence.
You know you would have asked the same question if you read it that way too casey.

I knew nothing about what happened at 2nd.

[the smaller twin]

And we got him out twice on the same play, why would I tell the referees that he should score. That is ridiculous.

[MEATBALLKEVIN]

Casey. I'm definitely not accusing you guys of anything. You have always been there to help our team or give us guidance. You played a great game it's just an unfortunate way to lose. Like I said before my only problem was that the head ref, who is a WAKA representative, couldn’t give us a clear answer.

And I take what the first base ref says with a grain a salt. He was wearing a skirt, was drinking and had clearly made two TERRIBLE calls earlier in the game going both directions.

At this point it is what it is. I’m hoping we are done with WAKA after next season and we can start getting competitive games weekly with Ultra.

Then tell your team to screw soccer and sign up for ULTRA.

[Trey it Up]

Trey,

When the refs blew two calls in our game against you in Virginia that cost us the game, why didn't you correct them?

You guys argued every call. You're going to have to be more specific.

[the smaller twin]

Evan, I know you are not accusing me, but other people are.

[MEATBALLKEVIN]

Trey,

When the refs blew two calls in our game against you in Virginia that cost us the game, why didn't you correct them?

You guys argued every call. You're going to have to be more specific.

Is it to early to make popcorn for this?

as you were

[MEATBALLKEVIN]

Evan, I know you are not accusing me, but other people are.

HEY! I was asking a legit question!

[Seacat]

I'm doing my best to get them away from soccer on Tuesday nights. We have already registred for Riptide but will definitely be joining Ultra the next season.

We'll put this game behind us and move foward. All we can do is continue to practice and get better.

[JohnPWilks]

What makes this circumstance even worse is that it's a paid WAKA employee that doesn't know the rules. If you're making $15,000+ a year to play kickball and do a few other minor tasks, at least know the GD rulebook.

I wholeheartedly agree that WAKA employees need to know the rule book. I am doing my damnedest to make sure I know every nuance in every rule. Now if only I could get to that $15,000 a year mark. I've got a looooong way to go.

[Trey it Up]

What makes this circumstance even worse is that it's a paid WAKA employee that doesn't know the rules. If you're making $15,000+ a year to play kickball and do a few other minor tasks, at least know the GD rulebook.

I wholeheartedly agree that WAKA employees need to know the rule book. I am doing my damnedest to make sure I know every nuance in every rule. Now if only I could get to that $15,000 a year mark. I've got a looooong way to go.

The Florida reps are in charge of more leagues and larger leagues than the reps here...unless there has been some restructuring going on. I know Kelly was making some pretty solid money when she ran this whole area by herself.

[kwido03]

I can't ever blame another team for what the refs decide. Fully loaded as far as I am concerned is innocent on their end. When things get crazy both teams will argue and they should. You have to stick up for you team! The bottom line was the refs let the play run its course. They called nothing at 2nd and called safe at 3rd. Then the play finished with us scoring and fully loaded throwing the ball around in the chaos. That means we scored and won. Then the ref uses his opinion to put the guy back at 3rd for no reason. If he is safe at third then he scores, bottom line! And that was the call! I just do not understand how the decision was made to not count the run especially considering the play was never stopped. And the reasoning and the unwillingness to listen and make the right call is not really excusable. And even more so considering this ref represents the league. And the other refs were a joke and should have never been on the field. Knowing this though, (since one of them had a f-ing kilt on) the main ref (the waka worker) should have taken charge each and every play. It is really not that hard. I mean I literally pitched a strike at one point while he was on the phone. And to make it even worse the run fully loaded scored was scored by a player that was blatently out. This is a 2 run swing which we all know is a game changer in any competitive game. This game was a joke. I dont blame fully loaded at all. The wrong call was made for them to get the first run and then when there was an opportunity to make the right call and get us our run back the play was reversed and he just put a runner on 3rd because of his "opinion". If you own one employees can't follow the rules and cant be willing to make the correct call or at least listen then your product is shit. This guys works for WAKA and blew this game.

[the smaller twin]

Alright! Now we have two players from the Mushroom Stampers on the boards!

[MEATBALLKEVIN]

I can't ever blame another team for what the refs decide. Fully loaded as far as I am concerned is innocent on their end. When things get crazy both teams will argue and they should. You have to stick up for you team! The bottom line was the refs let the play run its course. They called nothing at 2nd and called safe at 3rd. Then the play finished with us scoring and fully loaded throwing the ball around in the chaos. That means we scored and won. Then the ref uses his opinion to put the guy back at 3rd for no reason. If he is safe at third then he scores, bottom line! And that was the call! I just do not understand how the decision was made to not count the run especially considering the play was never stopped. And the reasoning and the unwillingness to listen and make the right call is not really excusable. And even more so considering this ref represents the league. And the other refs were a joke and should have never been on the field. Knowing this though, (since one of them had a f-ing kilt on) the main ref (the waka worker) should have taken charge each and every play. It is really not that hard. I mean I literally pitched a strike at one point while he was on the phone. And to make it even worse the run fully loaded scored was scored by a player that was blatently out. This is a 2 run swing which we all know is a game changer in any competitive game. This game was a joke. I dont blame fully loaded at all. The wrong call was made for them to get the first run and then when there was an opportunity to make the right call and get us our run back the play was reversed and he just put a runner on 3rd because of his "opinion". If you own one employees can't follow the rules and cant be willing to make the correct call or at least listen then your product is shit. This guys works for WAKA and blew this game.

this guy is a sick underhand pitcher

[MEATBALLKEVIN]

advice to MMS posters. Keep your posts short and simple

[Seacat]

I think the South Florida tourney really opened our eyes to how much fun this shit really is! We've made so many great friends from kickball that it's unreal. Who would have thought an elementary game could cause this much tension. haha

But this is what the message boards are for...right???


MetballKevin...we'll work on it. Still new remember. haha just have a lot on my mind now and its only 10:25.

[MEATBALLKEVIN]

I think the South Florida tourney really opened our eyes to how much fun this shit really is! We've made so many great friends from kickball that it's unreal. Who would have thought an elementary game could cause this much tension. haha

But this is what the message boards are for...right???


MetballKevin...we'll work on it. Still new remember. haha just have a lot on my mind now and its only 10:25.

start with a small post. then you will get others opinions and you can keep going. when all is said and done you'll get it all out.

[Seacat]

great point.

so bottom line is when this season is over...I think we should have a friendly rematch with MK and MeatballKevin reffing. Losers by a round of drinks or something???

[Seacat]

loser "buy"...sorry I'm struggling this morning.

[Seacat]

loser "buy"...sorry I'm struggling this morning.

[kwido03]

I figured I would make my first post a good one! I will keep it short from here on. I think we are just a bit frustrated...a lot frustrated.

[MEATBALLKEVIN]

loser "buy"...sorry I'm struggling this morning.

Watch your spelling on here. The Dc boys will eat you alive in speeling/grammer mistakes

[MEATBALLKEVIN]

I figured I would make my first post a good one! I will keep it short from here on. I think we are just a bit frustrated...a lot frustrated.

I have seen you frustrated (on the mound in the boynton beach tourney)

[Shopvac]

this guy is a sick underhand pitcher[/quote]


I agree with you Kev. The MMS have definitely come a long way in a short amount of time. However, it's tough when the calls start going against you early. I've been on both sides of it and wasn't good both ways. We could argue that their first run was scored on a blown call at first. It was pretty clear to us that Jay had thrown him out at the beginning on the game.

Side note...

Why accuracy kick to win playoff games?? I hate winning or losing that way. BS.

[Seacat]

I think the 6-8 beers we consumed in an hour didn't help our cause either. haha


great side note...accuracy kick is 100% BS.

[Jimmybeans2]

the tie breaker should be who has the biggest penis and pair of boobs......

[Shopvac]

the tie breaker should be who has the biggest penis and pair of boobs......

I like it... Since we're using something so arbitrary why not use dizzy bat kick, potato sack races or longest head first slide. If it's still a tie, biggest boobs it is...

[JohnPWilks]

the tie breaker should be who has the biggest penis and pair of boobs......

You guys have tranny's playing?