[Cup] Availables Team? in 2012?

[admin]

Open question to Forum: Should we allow an availables team to compete at the Circuit Cup in 2012?

For example, players who have competed in at least one event, but their team for whatever reason cannot attend the Cup in October, would be allowed to join a Circuit Cup Availables Team.

Thoughts?
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[flades]

without putting a whole lot of thought into it i would give this a resounding YES

[JimmyB]

Absolutely yes. The more teams we can get (who are competitive), the better.

[C-Rab Squaring]

I would say no. We knew at the start of the season that some teams would fall apart or merge etc. The emphasis is put on the player to choose a Circuit team wisely and for captains to make tough decisions regarding their teams and rosters. I think this is all apart of the Circuit and available teams should not be allowed to compete and have a chance to be crowned Circuit Champs even if it does add money to the pool.

[MEATBALLKEVIN]

Good question. I would say No and those players can be umps if they want to go. Sucks but the team they play on had plenty of time to make plans for the cc

[MEATBALLKEVIN]

I would say no. We knew at the start of the season that some teams would fall apart or merge etc. The emphasis is put on the player to choose a Circuit team wisely and for captains to make tough decisions regarding their teams and rosters. I think this is all apart of the Circuit and available teams should not be allowed to compete and have a chance to be crowned Circuit Champs even if it does add money to the pool.

well said

[JimmyB]

I would say no. We knew at the start of the season that some teams would fall apart or merge etc. The emphasis is put on the player to choose a Circuit team wisely and for captains to make tough decisions regarding their teams and rosters. I think this is all apart of the Circuit and available teams should not be allowed to compete and have a chance to be crowned Circuit Champs even if it does add money to the pool.

If you can not beat an availables team, you do not deserve the right to call yourself Circuit Champs.
Maybe make them ineligible to receive prizes?

[2_easy]

I hope the answer is yes, because I have an AZ team interested in attending. Pretty much have my roster locked up, just waiting for the green light.

I don't think anyone has anything to worry about. Most of the Top players are already going on Top teams. This would increase the prizefund and hopefully increase the interest for next year. That is what I am using it for.

[MEATBALLKEVIN]

I would say no. We knew at the start of the season that some teams would fall apart or merge etc. The emphasis is put on the player to choose a Circuit team wisely and for captains to make tough decisions regarding their teams and rosters. I think this is all apart of the Circuit and available teams should not be allowed to compete and have a chance to be crowned Circuit Champs even if it does add money to the pool.

If you can not beat an availables team, you do not deserve the right to call yourself Circuit Champs.
Maybe make them ineligible to receive prizes?

If it was allowed it may lead to less teams going. Teams may start to merge for a chance of the big pay out.

[MEATBALLKEVIN]

I hope the answer is yes, because I have an AZ team interested in attending. Pretty much have my roster locked up, just waiting for the green light.

I don't think anyone has anything to worry about. Most of the Top players are already going on Top teams. This would increase the prizefund and hopefully increase the interest for next year. That is what I am using it for.

Well that is different is it not? You can just sign that team up for the circuit. No?

[Jared It Up!]

I would say no. We knew at the start of the season that some teams would fall apart or merge etc. The emphasis is put on the player to choose a Circuit team wisely and for captains to make tough decisions regarding their teams and rosters. I think this is all apart of the Circuit and available teams should not be allowed to compete and have a chance to be crowned Circuit Champs even if it does add money to the pool.

completely agree. we are asked to play in a circuit event as a team to make sure we qualify for the cup. How would this stop a few mid tier teams from saying they aren't going, picking the top players from the teams and competing for the championship?

[JimmyB]

I would say no. We knew at the start of the season that some teams would fall apart or merge etc. The emphasis is put on the player to choose a Circuit team wisely and for captains to make tough decisions regarding their teams and rosters. I think this is all apart of the Circuit and available teams should not be allowed to compete and have a chance to be crowned Circuit Champs even if it does add money to the pool.

If you can not beat an availables team, you do not deserve the right to call yourself Circuit Champs.
Maybe make them ineligible to receive prizes?

If it was allowed it may lead to less teams going. Teams may start to merge for a chance of the big pay out.

ineligible for prizes?

[MEATBALLKEVIN]

I would say no. We knew at the start of the season that some teams would fall apart or merge etc. The emphasis is put on the player to choose a Circuit team wisely and for captains to make tough decisions regarding their teams and rosters. I think this is all apart of the Circuit and available teams should not be allowed to compete and have a chance to be crowned Circuit Champs even if it does add money to the pool.

completely agree. we are asked to play in a circuit event as a team to make sure we qualify for the cup. How would this stop a few mid tier teams from saying they aren't going, picking the top players from the teams and competing for the championship?[/quote]

[2_easy]

I hope the answer is yes, because I have an AZ team interested in attending. Pretty much have my roster locked up, just waiting for the green light.

I don't think anyone has anything to worry about. Most of the Top players are already going on Top teams. This would increase the prizefund and hopefully increase the interest for next year. That is what I am using it for.

Well that is different is it not? You can just sign that team up for the circuit. No?

I don't know. I hope so. Having been screwed by WAKA with FC i am not going to sign any team up until I know I am guaranteed a spot.

[Trey it Up]

1. What is the point of having Circuit rules if they aren't followed?

2. What is preventing a player from jumping on a current Circuit team for the CC? There will be a number of Circuit Championship eligible teams that likely won't register for the Circuit. Why not just take over one of those team names (Team Skittles, JFK, among others). There are still many options for free agents to play that don't involve breaking the Circuit's rules.

[machinegunkelly]

I would say no. We knew at the start of the season that some teams would fall apart or merge etc. The emphasis is put on the player to choose a Circuit team wisely and for captains to make tough decisions regarding their teams and rosters. I think this is all apart of the Circuit and available teams should not be allowed to compete and have a chance to be crowned Circuit Champs even if it does add money to the pool.

completely agree. we are asked to play in a circuit event as a team to make sure we qualify for the cup. How would this stop a few mid tier teams from saying they aren't going, picking the top players from the teams and competing for the championship?[/quote]

i hear that argument...but i really dont care....better kickball is a win for everyone

[JellyDogg]

I think Trey's right. If a player wants to play in the Circuit, there really shouldn't be a shortage of teams for that player to join.

I don't hate the idea, though, but it seems to me that it would discourage teams from joining the Circuit until a last-minute superteam formation when we could have had multiple teams register.

[DanW]

Why have circuit teams at all if you can just merge at the end for a big payout? It ruins the whole structure of the circuit.


As a compromise - you could have them but they aren't eligible for the prizes.

[Zak]

I hope the answer is yes, because I have an AZ team interested in attending. Pretty much have my roster locked up, just waiting for the green light.

I don't think anyone has anything to worry about. Most of the Top players are already going on Top teams. This would increase the prizefund and hopefully increase the interest for next year. That is what I am using it for.

Well that is different is it not? You can just sign that team up for the circuit. No?

I don't know. I hope so. Having been screwed by WAKA with FC i am not going to sign any team up until I know I am guaranteed a spot.

I think in this case it's a question of if a team signs up for the Circuit without having any points, will they be able to play in Vegas.
Would the availables team be made of Circuit players jumping ship from their established teams who to better their shot at winning money in Vegas or would it be made of people who aren't yet registered on an established team?

[McCoy]

This is a bad idea. It also would be a bad business decision by the Circuit. This would create less Circuit teams at CC in the future, guaranteed.

[Zak]

On one hand I like the idea of having availables team to help grow interest. Maybe getting a team made up of people in area's that don't have a registered circuit team available to join might promote Circuit events in those areas.
On the other hand I see the potential for this to get exploited in the future.

[kim dude]

I thought during our marathon rules committee telecon that it was thrown out that not only would Circuit teams be able to compete in the CC but that other teams that did not compete in any Circuit events could be accepted as well, (ie, division winners from leagues could play). Remember that the Cup is not the same as the overall point champion. As far as just stealing a name and using it, that wouldn't really work either because those teams are not registered Circuit Teams. I suppose you could fix it by saying that non-Circuit Teams could play but that they could not field any players who were registered for another Circuit Team during that season. This would allow someone like me to put together Skittles type team but would prevent some other registered teams from simply combining forces to field an all-star team.


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[dp3]

On one hand I like the idea of having availables team to help grow interest. Maybe getting a team made up of people in area's that don't have a registered circuit team available to join might promote Circuit events in those areas.

This.

[FlyingV]

I would say no. We knew at the start of the season that some teams would fall apart or merge etc. The emphasis is put on the player to choose a Circuit team wisely and for captains to make tough decisions regarding their teams and rosters. I think this is all apart of the Circuit and available teams should not be allowed to compete and have a chance to be crowned Circuit Champs even if it does add money to the pool.

completely agree. we are asked to play in a circuit event as a team to make sure we qualify for the cup. How would this stop a few mid tier teams from saying they aren't going, picking the top players from the teams and competing for the championship?

Y'all said it exactly as I would... I think this gives people an easy out. It will definitely be tough to put together this trip but those teams that do should be rewarded. That's the whole reason for the circuit cup championship- to crown the best CIRCUIT team. I'm not saying this would happen but what if McCoy and Kevin called each other up and said hey... why don't you and I just put together our best 14 guys and 6 girls and go win the money. Everyone would be pissed and screaming about how that's not fair. Now I know that would never happen in a million years but I went to the extreme when picking an example b/c it definitely could happen with 2 lower ranked teams.

[MEATBALLKEVIN]

More teams would obviously be a plus . But its just the principle of it. It has NOTHING to do with being worried about a super team being built and the winning prize money. Its just the principle that they should have done what everyone else did by putting a roster together and joining the circuit. Now if some player did that and then that team decided not to go to vegas which leaves players hanging well then they are SOL. I mean you would know by august or so if your team is not going to the CC. And if that is the case then build a team for NYC and join the circuit. Then go to CC .

[JohnPWilks]

What's the point of registering a team for the Circuit and putting eligibility requirements if you are going to allow an availables team. Events such as Circuit Cup (and yes Founder's Cup) should have basic qualification requirements on them. That's what makes it different from all of the other Circuit Events during the year. In essence CC is an invitational tournament that is based on registration and qualification.

[2_easy]

Allowing "other" teams to play in the circuit cup (availables and/or noncircuit teams) the first year or 2 could help the circuit grow. Then tighten up the qualifications as it progresses. Like what WAKA did for the FC and LC. First almost any team could get an invite, then just 3 spots per league/per season, now only winners via invite.

[kim dude]

What's the point of registering a team for the Circuit and putting eligibility requirements if you are going to allow an availables team. Events such as Circuit Cup (and yes Founder's Cup) should have basic qualification requirements on them. That's what makes it different from all of the other Circuit Events during the year. In essence CC is an invitational tournament that is based on registration and qualification.

There is no qualification process, you register as a Circuit team and you're eligible to play.

[Horses and Genitals]

I think Trey's right. If a player wants to play in the Circuit, there really shouldn't be a shortage of teams for that player to join.

That's not quite true. There's no way in tits that I'm going to get the "Ninja Kitties" to fly to Atlanta for a kickball tournament. How many of these teams are there in South FL? Three? And they are all pretty much finalized as far as I can tell. Jon Simon turned me down*! I'm going to assume that it's because his right field position is stacked and not because my OBP would hover around .250.


*That could have been worded less gayly (sorry Grant Hill)

[PittsBurgheR]

If you want to go, there are plenty of people who would be willing to let you use the team's name, and you'd probably get a bunch of the lineups as well. Safety Pullout, Team Skittles, etc... it just means you need to plan ahead to get that team registered for the circuit. They've already completed, or will complete the initial playing in a circuit event qualifier. All you need to do is then talk to the team's captain and put down the cash. I'm sure you can get plenty of decent players.

[JellyDogg]

I think Trey's right. If a player wants to play in the Circuit, there really shouldn't be a shortage of teams for that player to join.

That's not quite true. There's no way in tits that I'm going to get the "Ninja Kitties" to fly to Atlanta for a kickball tournament. How many of these teams are there in South FL? Three? And they are all pretty much finalized as far as I can tell. Jon Simon turned me down*! I'm going to assume that it's because his right field position is stacked and not because my OBP would hover around .250.


*That could have been worded less gayly (sorry Grant Hill)

I'm betting if you looked for a team, you could find one. Maybe not in South Florida, but I'm sure there's a group (or groups) of people somewhere that want to go to CC that won't have enough players, and you could jump on that team's roster.

[Zak]

If you want to go, there are plenty of people who would be willing to let you use the team's name, and you'd probably get a bunch of the lineups as well. Safety Pullout, Team Skittles, etc... it just means you need to plan ahead to get that team registered for the circuit. They've already completed, or will complete the initial playing in a circuit event qualifier. All you need to do is then talk to the team's captain and put down the cash. I'm sure you can get plenty of decent players.

There's really no benefit at this time to use Safety Pullouts name as they wouldn't earn any points. It would be no different than just signing a team that hadn't attended any tournaments.

[Horses and Genitals]

Perhaps. We'll see. Even though that's weird not knowing you motherf-ers.


I'm going to see how this Austin thing goes, if we can get enough people for that (seems to have died down a little bit). It would be a start.

[Horses and Genitals]

Looking at this again (and slower, and later in the am), it seems to just be a question of should some team get points. Whatevs. F points.

[Zak]

To the people against an availables team, how do you feel about a team that doesn't register for the Circuit until the last minute? At this point what would really be the difference between me getting a bunch of people together and signing up an availables team for the Circuit, and a team like Balls Deeper or JKI who would have the same number of points if both teams signed up today.

[Trey it Up]

I have no problem with any team playing in CC if they follow the current rules.

[dp3]

Allowing "other" teams to play in the circuit cup (availables and/or noncircuit teams) the first year or 2 could help the circuit grow. Then tighten up the qualifications as it progresses. Like what WAKA did for the FC and LC. First almost any team could get an invite, then just 3 spots per league/per season, now only winners via invite.

Agreed. When a company is just starting and trying to grow, they often offer deals or promotions, whatever they can to get people in the door. Once people try your product and get hooked you drop the profit hammer. Netflix and 24 Hour Fitness both let me have a 30 day trial before I paid my first dues...I'm a lifelong member of both (until Netflix becomes obsolete).

I think this is especially relevant in this case because CC is the same weekend as FC and there will be two thousand kickballers in the city anyway. Exposure = growth. Give people a reason to stay in Vegas another day.

I have no problem with any team playing in CC

Spoken like a true champion. I love the "Line em up, I'll knock em down" mantra. +props
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All this being said, I'm a huge fan of elitism and if the Circuit was already established then I would absolutely be on the opposite side of the fence.

[admin]

Appreciate all the feedback!

Note, we are NOT modifying anything. This post is simply placed on the Forum for open feedback for future business decisions.

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[admin]

Thank you again for the feedback. We'll use several of your talking points at the Summit 2011 (to be held in Vegas).

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