Austin Reactions

[MEATBALLKEVIN]

Im getting at your argument makes no sense no that youve said it was OK for a team with no name recognition to be fucked by manipulated seedings, but it is not OK for MMS who has a total of 1 tourney under their belt.

If you say the seeding was awful and they got screwed than so did we.


And they messed with my wife so I'll continue to call them crybabies and argue against whatever point made in their favor. (at least im honest)

what was your seed?

was it correct? if not,why?

[mozbot]

Problem is, you don't know the rosters for all of these teams.

I agree. This seems to be one of the problems with Circuit in general. You're all expecting accuracy at every level in regards to seeding/ranking/fields/wind/umpires. But for all intensive purposes, this is a co-ed rec-league sport run by the people that are playing it. This isn't professional sports. This is WAKA on steroids.

Oh, with an orange ball and one less foul.

There is so much jostling of players, randomness of teams/sizes/availability that accuracy can NEVER be guaranteed. Yet, its expected.

What I find astonishing is that the organizers take their best guess (And granted, its not a Spock in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home type of best guess...) based on players, team names, previous tournaments and try to get it right. (Though, apparently, at least for this tourney some factors seem to have taken precedent over others.) Yet the moment it doesn't, the flags go up! Impropriety is cried! And everyone gets all butt hurt because their expectations weren't met.

[krabbas]

I don't think it's always a matter of team's getting butt hurt. It usually starts out as a suggestion or pointing out an opportunity to improve, followed by a bunch of people calling the person who is bringing the (valid) point of discussion up a cry baby.

[Typod]

We were the 10 seed, which was correct (never suggested otherwise)
The 1/2 and 3/4 being in the same pools and being protected from each other was incorrect, and the teams like mms and myself playing them both was not the way it should have been done.

There are plenty of examples on this board of better ways to seed the pools (from different seedings, to pools of 4 with 16 advancing etc etc)

It seems to me that the organizers took the worst of all the options available.

I also think they did not use the captains rankings.

I also think your logic is flawed if you argue that MMS should get preferential treatment over an available team with a shitload of tourney experience.

I also think MMS needs to go home curl up with their blanky, dry their tears and move on.

[MEATBALLKEVIN]

Rosters can be very deceiving. On paper our Austin roster wasn't our best and was missing some big name players. With that said, this was the best I've ever seen us play as a team. For the first time at a tourney, I felt we could 100% win the entire thing. We really felt we should of been in the finals and got the bad end of some calls ( not taking anything away from cobra, those guys are great and deserved it). We had RED and Graham pitching great (I'd put them even), Schulte catching, and myself charging. This was the first tourney for us all playing those positions for Flying V. We learned a lot about ourselves. Our D was just stepping it up a notch from our usual D. It's easy to say that with Troy, Justin, jarrett, Tim, Tyler, n Dan we would of been even better. We shall see in Jacksonville with the full roster. My point is that sometimes rosters can be very misleading.

my point is .. I dont care who you added i would still vote your seed the same way UNTIL you actually played and IF it made a difference for the future events.

If the Patriots clinch home field for the playoffs and Tom Brady and Wes Welker get in a car accident the week before should the playoff seedings be different?

People keep saying about coming in to event as a different name..Do they not understand the circuit guidelines? What idf the MBs signed up for an event and called ourselves the" loser nerds" and kept it a total secret it was us. Now say we get the 16 seed at meet n greeat and are in a pool with seed 1..The other 2 teams would bitch up a storm that they were in a pool with the loser nerds AND Panik. For events and the circuit to stay accurate you HAVE to look at teams like franchises for captains picks of seedings pre tourney. I understand each event will have a handful of no name but for those teams you are just going to have to rank of hear say. Franshise teams should always be seeded better than non registered circuit teams

[mozbot]

I don't think it's always a matter of team's getting butt hurt. It usually starts out as a suggestion or pointing out an opportunity to improve, followed by a bunch of people calling the person who is bringing the (valid) point of discussion up a cry baby.

I think that's very true as well.

[MEATBALLKEVIN]

We were the 10 seed, which was correct (never suggested otherwise)
The 1/2 and 3/4 being in the same pools and being protected from each other was incorrect, and the teams like mms and myself playing them both was not the way it should have been done.

There are plenty of examples on this board of better ways to seed the pools (from different seedings, to pools of 4 with 16 advancing etc etc)

It seems to me that the organizers took the worst of all the options available.

I also think they did not use the captains rankings.
well that explains relax having the same schedule as Nysh

I also think your logic is flawed if you argue that MMS should get preferential treatment over an available team with a shitload of tourney experience.

Best fwiends?

I also think MMS needs to go home curl up with their blanky, dry their tears and move on.

[Horses and Genitals]

I also think MMS needs to go home curl up with their blanky, dry their tears and move on.

Based on what? Who on here that was on MMS is even still in the conversation?

[dp3]

If the Patriots clinch home field for the playoffs and Tom Brady and Wes Welker get in a car accident the week before should the playoff seedings be different?

No, but if Syracuse announces Fab Melo's ineligibility prior to Selection Sunday then they probably don't get a #1 seed. This is a much much closer comparison (although it's still extremely far off of kickball, as kickball is a very "loosely" organized sport with inconsistent rosters...and on-field drinking).

[JimmyB]

If the Patriots clinch home field for the playoffs and Tom Brady and Wes Welker get in a car accident the week before should the playoff seedings be different?

People keep saying about coming in to event as a different name..Do they not understand the circuit guidelines? What idf the MBs signed up for an event and called ourselves the" loser nerds" and kept it a total secret it was us. Now say we get the 16 seed at meet n greeat and are in a pool with seed 1..The other 2 teams would bitch up a storm that they were in a pool with the loser nerds AND Panik. For events and the circuit to stay accurate you HAVE to look at teams like franchises for captains picks of seedings pre tourney. I understand each event will have a handful of no name but for those teams you are just going to have to rank of hear say. Franshise teams should always be seeded better than non registered circuit teams

For the sake of keeping things realistic, would we please stop comparing the circuit to any pro (or college, for that matter) team sports? It's simply not the same.

[MEATBALLKEVIN]

If the Patriots clinch home field for the playoffs and Tom Brady and Wes Welker get in a car accident the week before should the playoff seedings be different?

No, but if Syracuse announces Fab Melo's ineligibility prior to Selection Sunday then they probably don't get a #1 seed. This is a much much closer comparison (although it's still extremely far off of kickball, as kickball is a very "loosely" organized sport with inconsistent rosters...and on-field drinking).

i see your point.

But lets also say that a 18-0 ncaa b ball team is #1 according to the poll released every Monday. Now they lose their best player but continue to win. should they not be #1?

[Typod]

I also think MMS needs to go home curl up with their blanky, dry their tears and move on.

Based on what? Who on here that was on MMS is even still in the conversation?

Based on what I read for the past three days. And if people are crying on your behalf, I apologize for lumping you in as a crybaby.

Also see my previous post about my staunch opposition to any argument they are involved in.

And yes I know you are innocent in the situation. And havent cried, nor been anything but friendly to my wife and teammates.

[mozbot]

my point is .. I dont care who you added i would still vote your seed the same way UNTIL you actually played and IF it made a difference for the future events.

If the Patriots clinch home field for the playoffs and Tom Brady and Wes Welker get in a car accident the week before should the playoff seedings be different?

People keep saying about coming in to event as a different name..Do they not understand the circuit guidelines? What idf the MBs signed up for an event and called ourselves the" loser nerds" and kept it a total secret it was us. Now say we get the 16 seed at meet n greeat and are in a pool with seed 1..The other 2 teams would bitch up a storm that they were in a pool with the loser nerds AND Panik. For events and the circuit to stay accurate you HAVE to look at teams like franchises for captains picks of seedings pre tourney. I understand each event will have a handful of no name but for those teams you are just going to have to rank of hear say. Franshise teams should always be seeded better than non registered circuit teams

You're argument about Brady/Welker would be valid if the NFL's standings were based on an arbitrary metric like fan/captain/expert's poll and/or team name/history. But you're totally wrong with that comparison.

The only thing that can really be applied to is some sort of fun POWER RANKING! which has zero impact on a professional sport other than to boost a fan's ego about the team they are supporting.

[JimmyB]

If the Patriots clinch home field for the playoffs and Tom Brady and Wes Welker get in a car accident the week before should the playoff seedings be different?

People keep saying about coming in to event as a different name..Do they not understand the circuit guidelines? What idf the MBs signed up for an event and called ourselves the" loser nerds" and kept it a total secret it was us. Now say we get the 16 seed at meet n greeat and are in a pool with seed 1..The other 2 teams would bitch up a storm that they were in a pool with the loser nerds AND Panik. For events and the circuit to stay accurate you HAVE to look at teams like franchises for captains picks of seedings pre tourney. I understand each event will have a handful of no name but for those teams you are just going to have to rank of hear say. Franshise teams should always be seeded better than non registered circuit teams

For the sake of keeping things realistic, would we please stop comparing the circuit to any pro (or college, for that matter) team sports? It's simply not the same.

In fact, it may actually be a more reasonable comparison (although still flawed) to ask the question "Does Jimmy Johnson automatically get the poll position at a race because people perceive him to be the best driver, or because he has won the most races this year or last?"

[MEATBALLKEVIN]

All im saying that if i had to rank the teams going in to this event i would have

1 Jki
2 nysh


if nysh didnt have oakley and karl going i would still rank them 2

[mozbot]

Speaking of, did you see the Dodgers are totally the number 5 team in the country right now based on various Power Rankings? It just proves that they will be the #5 team for all of eternity, amen. Go Blue!

[krabbas]

If the Patriots clinch home field for the playoffs and Tom Brady and Wes Welker get in a car accident the week before should the playoff seedings be different?

People keep saying about coming in to event as a different name..Do they not understand the circuit guidelines? What idf the MBs signed up for an event and called ourselves the" loser nerds" and kept it a total secret it was us. Now say we get the 16 seed at meet n greeat and are in a pool with seed 1..The other 2 teams would bitch up a storm that they were in a pool with the loser nerds AND Panik. For events and the circuit to stay accurate you HAVE to look at teams like franchises for captains picks of seedings pre tourney. I understand each event will have a handful of no name but for those teams you are just going to have to rank of hear say. Franshise teams should always be seeded better than non registered circuit teams

For the sake of keeping things realistic, would we please stop comparing the circuit to any pro (or college, for that matter) team sports? It's simply not the same.

In fact, it may actually be a more reasonable comparison (although still flawed) to ask the question "Does Jimmy Johnson automatically get the poll position at a race because people perceive him to be the best driver, or because he has won the most races this year or last?"

Neither. They have time trials before each race.

[MEATBALLKEVIN]

If the Patriots clinch home field for the playoffs and Tom Brady and Wes Welker get in a car accident the week before should the playoff seedings be different?

People keep saying about coming in to event as a different name..Do they not understand the circuit guidelines? What idf the MBs signed up for an event and called ourselves the" loser nerds" and kept it a total secret it was us. Now say we get the 16 seed at meet n greeat and are in a pool with seed 1..The other 2 teams would bitch up a storm that they were in a pool with the loser nerds AND Panik. For events and the circuit to stay accurate you HAVE to look at teams like franchises for captains picks of seedings pre tourney. I understand each event will have a handful of no name but for those teams you are just going to have to rank of hear say. Franshise teams should always be seeded better than non registered circuit teams

For the sake of keeping things realistic, would we please stop comparing the circuit to any pro (or college, for that matter) team sports? It's simply not the same.

In fact, it may actually be a more reasonable comparison (although still flawed) to ask the question "Does Jimmy Johnson automatically get the poll position at a race because people perceive him to be the best driver, or because he has won the most races this year or last?"[/quote]

the thing is with that is that every driver is just about in every race. If the circuit had the same top 10 teams in every event then a point system could be used for the pre tourney rankings. will never be the case because most of us have to work for a living and too much kickball make you a loser nerd. I like to just be a nerd with some kickball..

Besides they race for pole position. You should know that you florida redneck!

[JimmyB]

If the Patriots clinch home field for the playoffs and Tom Brady and Wes Welker get in a car accident the week before should the playoff seedings be different?

People keep saying about coming in to event as a different name..Do they not understand the circuit guidelines? What idf the MBs signed up for an event and called ourselves the" loser nerds" and kept it a total secret it was us. Now say we get the 16 seed at meet n greeat and are in a pool with seed 1..The other 2 teams would bitch up a storm that they were in a pool with the loser nerds AND Panik. For events and the circuit to stay accurate you HAVE to look at teams like franchises for captains picks of seedings pre tourney. I understand each event will have a handful of no name but for those teams you are just going to have to rank of hear say. Franshise teams should always be seeded better than non registered circuit teams

For the sake of keeping things realistic, would we please stop comparing the circuit to any pro (or college, for that matter) team sports? It's simply not the same.

In fact, it may actually be a more reasonable comparison (although still flawed) to ask the question "Does Jimmy Johnson automatically get the poll position at a race because people perceive him to be the best driver, or because he has won the most races this year or last?"[/quote]

the thing is with that is that every driver is just about in every race. If the circuit had the same top 10 teams in every event then a point system could be used for the pre tourney rankings. will never be the case because most of us have to work for a living and too much kickball make you a loser nerd. I like to just be a nerd with some kickball.. Exactly! In the pros and college, pretty much every single player is on their team for every game!

Besides they race for pole position. You should know that you florida redneck!Exactly! They don't just show up and say "Hey driver X won the last 2 races, he is clearly the best so give him the poll". If everyone agrees that the "real" tournament doesn't start until elimination rounds for the top teams, then what is the harm in randomizing things and teams having some risk of a really difficult pool?

[The Paddy]

As a non-participating spectator to this lively debate, I'd like to respectfully request that we stop talking about NASCAR and get back to kickball.

And Winfield: stop trolling about our Dodgers. Yes, we love them and they're doing well. But Dodgers don't play kickball, which drops them a few notches in my book.

[dp3]

Dodgers don't play kickball

Did you ever even ask?

I bet El Guapo could get some of the Royals players...they're clearly not busy playing baseball at the moment.

[The Paddy]

Dodgers don't play kickball

Did you ever even ask?

We tried to recruit Manny during his suspension a couple years ago. He laughed, punched me in my kidney, and then muttered something incoherent before heading off to his hair stylist.

[mozbot]

My top ten list of Dodgers who would be better than anybody on here at kickball.

1. Matt Kemp
2. Dee Gordon (leadoff man)
3. Vin Scully
4. Juan Uribe (ha, joke!)
5. Tony Gwynn Jr.
6. Nancy Bea
7. Clayton Kershaw
8. Alyssa Milano
9. Kirk Gibson's Mustache
10. Tommy Lasorda's Secret Spaghetti Sauce Recipe

[krabbas]

Dodgers don't play kickball

Did you ever even ask?

We tried to recruit Manny during his suspension a couple years ago. He laughed, punched me in my kidney, and then muttered something incoherent before heading off to his hair stylist.

That's just Manny being Manny.

[Return of Ctiger]

The main problem with the tournament was the fact that teams had to play the top two ranked teams.. the other problem was the fact that lights out and whiskey were ranked way too high.. I agree that lights out will be a decent team, but they should not have been ranked above MMS... They are one of those teams like Deja Vu last year.. they'll beat the small guys, but can't hang with the big boys (see our single elim game).. Whiskey should not have even been called whiskey... Best fwiends was more Sofa King then Whiskey was Whiskey.. also.. still amazes me that Relax was ranked over us, and I'm convinced this was only done so MMS wouldn't be playing against us since we both play in Ultra... I also think it's dumb that the 10 seed had a better shot at getting out of pool play then the 8 seed.. there was a lot wrong with the seedings, but in the end the best team won.. i just still feel we played the finals in the semi finals..

[Typod]

I also think it's dumb that the 10 seed had a better shot at getting out of pool play then the 8 seed.. there was a lot wrong with the seedings, but in the end the best team won.. i just still feel we played the finals in the semi finals..

I hate when I agree with Tiger.

[-Diem-]

The main problem with the tournament was the fact that teams had to play the top two ranked teams.. the other problem was the fact that lights out and whiskey were ranked way too high.. I agree that lights out will be a decent team, but they should not have been ranked above MMS... They are one of those teams like Deja Vu last year.. they'll beat the small guys, but can't hang with the big boys (see our single elim game).. Whiskey should not have even been called whiskey... Best fwiends was more Sofa King then Whiskey was Whiskey.. also.. still amazes me that Relax was ranked over us, and I'm convinced this was only done so MMS wouldn't be playing against us since we both play in Ultra... I also think it's dumb that the 10 seed had a better shot at getting out of pool play then the 8 seed.. there was a lot wrong with the seedings, but in the end the best team won.. i just still feel we played the finals in the semi finals..

I guess we know who (France) is....

[dp3]

still amazes me that Relax was ranked over us, and I'm convinced this was only done so MMS wouldn't be playing against us since we both play in Ultra.

I don't think they would punish a to-be #2 seed in order to accommodate an #8 seed...then again, this structure made no sense to me, so I suppose it's possible.

[McNugget]

Whiskey should not have even been called whiskey... Best fwiends was more Sofa King then Whiskey was Whiskey...

That's a perfect analysis of these two teams.

[MEATBALLKEVIN]

to sum up MY OPINIONS...

I was not in Austin. But the #8 seed clearly had a raw schedule for pool play. I played in a lot of events since 2008 and im just stating my opinion.

I have not been on 365 much lately cause the topics are so stupid and i really dont care to follow what team CTiger is on for this week. But im slow at work and had a ton of computer time so wanted to get things going to make my day faster. it worked

Pre tourney seedings- Captains submitted picks ranking the teams from who they think is the best to worst and NOT ranking their own team works. If you combine your knowledge of the team AND team history things should be accurate. This gives the top seeds (which they earned) a pool with 2 decent teams and 1 bad team . It gives 2nd tier teams pools of death by having games against a lot of teams equal to them. NYSH used to be in that boat and they fought their way out of it.

When i rank teams for tournaments (not top 5 365 lists because that means shit)i consider who they played, the strength of the field in the events they played(sorry but new mexico and LA are weak events. it is what it is), and what i think of them as a team compared to the others in the field that we are ranking. Does not mean that if someone won the last event they should be 1 for next or if the 1 seed going in to the last event lost in the semis they shouldnt be 1 again. And like i said, i dont care who they have or dont have. I rank them as full squad, if they dont have it i dont care thats their problem. This is how I do it. There will always be problems in events when available teams or no name teams enter. But yes, I do think circuit registered teams should always be ranked a head of those teams.

[The Sofa King]

Whiskey should not have even been called whiskey... Best fwiends was more Sofa King then Whiskey was Whiskey...

That's a perfect analysis of these two teams.

Ehh...don't know about that. We had 4 Sofa King Players in the field and three of them didn't field in the finals of BOTW.

[Justin Andrew Anderson]

Dice, what did you think of the circuit? You've seen the videos, but this was your first live experience right? How do you think you'd stack up in a tournament? When will you huge be making your circuit debut?

Very good question, btaylor. Yes, I beleive I've seen every competitive kickball game video ever posted on the web and yes, this was my first live experience.

Main takeaway... it's so damn awesome and impressive a tournament can draw teams from so many states for a kid's game (kickball) that we've all fallen in love with. I know we all talk about traveling kickball daily and thus kinda take it for granted... but when you're there and you hear the different accents and see the number of races (kickball is 99.84% white in Denver) that are playing, it really hits you that IKF and Kickball365 have really accomplished something awesome here!

Second takeaway... I thought teams would be more organized as individual units. From what I personally saw, only the NYSHs had this down w/ pregame warmups, chants, teamwork, same basecoaches, calls to kickers, timing, strategy, etc. whereas other teams just kinda played almost by the seat of their pants. I had higher expectations in this realm of a Circuit tournament.

Third takeaway... Everyone (minus two Lights Out! players who's game vs. Flying V was drastically affected by my calls which I'm confident we're right but were controversial nonetheless and CTiger who is everything in person he is on the Boards) were so kind, respectful, nice, passionate about kickball, happy and cool, down-to-earth people. Great group of awesome people!

Fourth takaway... It's a pitcher's game even more in person than on video. Pitching rules. Bunting was limited in effort and Chargers and Catchers did little overall. Get yourself two awesome Pitchers, two solid top of the lineup bunters/kickers, a decent charger and one solid OF and you can make a run at.

Fifth takeaway... Oakley made the best kickball play I've every seen in person at Catcher. Hope there is video of it!

Sixth takeaway... Flying V has a super-hottie on their team. I take for granted living in Denver w/ all the gorgeous women here when I travel - even to Austin.

Seventh takeaway... NYSH Amy is a beast and it's a HUGE advantage to have a legit female 1B. Kickball is a male dominated game especially on the offensive side so it's awesome to see a women play a key role for a succesful team on defense!

Eigth takeaway... All games need two umps.

Final takeaway... game looks faster and more impressive on video. Plays at what seems to be a much shower pace in person.

Lastly, per how Dice. would stack up... it really doesn't matter and it just hypothetical as our team doesn't have any plans on attending an out of state tournament this year other than Founders Cup. I'm not the Captain and don't have any desire to organize 14-16 people on a vacation. I will travel anywhere to play but it's not appealing for me to organize anymore. Kudos to y'all for being able to do so! #jealous. However, before Austin I thought we'd get our butts handed to us and now I definitely think we could hold our own. In Austin (it's only hypothetical and everyone thinks they are better than they are) but I think we would have definitely advanced to the Elimination round and played a tightly contested Elite 8 game - max'ing out (at best) with a solid loss in Final Four.

[Return of Ctiger]

Dice, what did you think of the circuit? You've seen the videos, but this was your first live experience right? How do you think you'd stack up in a tournament? When will you huge be making your circuit debut?

Hold on! were you reffing our game against NYSH? Whoever the first base ref was needs to be kicked in the face for being a tool.. I hope that wasn't you

[Typod]

Uh oh

[The Paddy]

Here come the drums

[JellyDogg]

Hold on! were you reffing our game against NYSH? Whoever the first base ref was needs to be kicked in the face for being a tool.. I hope that wasn't you

Usually you call 1B refs "dike bitch." You've mellowed out over the past year.

[Return of Ctiger]

Hold on! were you reffing our game against NYSH? Whoever the first base ref was needs to be kicked in the face for being a tool.. I hope that wasn't you

Usually you call 1B refs "dike bitch." You've mellowed out over the past year.

That was not me that called the dyke a dyke..

I am calling him a tool cause he was a tool.. At one point a pitch was clearly deep.. i was coaching first.. I said to him (since i could tell he didn't know what he was doing) "you know you can call a pitch deep if you see it is clearly deep from here".. he turned around and said (in a proper smug tone) "You are not a captain of this team and therefore you are not entitled to argue calls".. I responded by saying "i'm not arguing I'm asking if you know what you're doing" The next pitch our kicker fouled a bunt, but on this bunt Oakley was literally facing our batter.. to me that's impossible unless you are encroaching (and I am not saying he encroached all game or anything close, but this play was clearly encroachment).. I then said how is that not encroachment.. The Tool reffing first said (again all proper and smug with his chin up so high I think he was actually looking at the sky when he spoke) "JKI he has been warned. If he continues to speak to the referees he will be ejected from this contest"... my response was not so friendly after that

[Jersey3bFP]

Sounds like a perfect response to your arguing of calls. Im sure you asked those questions as politely as you're making it seem as well.

[Typod]

Excuse me kind sir, have you noticed that pitch was a bit deep? Do tell your associate at home plate you noticed an excessive depth on that fellows kickball throw.

[Typod]

That's what he said. I heard it.