Meatballs vs JKID Jacksonville Open

[Dematas]

Well Kev, you obviously don't have the confidence to bunt with two fouls and you said a #3 kicker needs to be able to bunt and get on if the first 2 kickers get out. And you tried to kick and got out and we all remember what happened in NYC with you up in a big spot kicking.

[Typod]

JKID (pre-Tiger) at SFKO - 43 runs scored

JKID (post-Tiger) at LSKO and JKO combined - 32 runs scored

Did LIU have their worst tourney in years (possibly ever) after adding you?

[Trey it Up]

Trey it Up wrote:
JKID (pre-Tiger) at SFKO - 43 runs scored

JKID (post-Tiger) at LSKO and JKO combined - 32 runs scored

Did LIU have their worst tourney in years (possibly ever) after adding you?

I'm not sure. If so, it certainly wasn't because of my performance. I'm not sure what my exact stats were, but I can only remember two times where I got out.

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[MEATBALLKEVIN]

Well Kev, you obviously don't have the confidence to bunt with two fouls and you said a #3 kicker needs to be able to bunt and get on if the first 2 kickers get out. And you tried to kick and got out and we all remember what happened in NYC with you up in a big spot kicking.

Yep. Nyc will be in my head forever.

But was not trying for single in 1st. double or nothing

[Dematas]

Trey it Up wrote:
JKID (pre-Tiger) at SFKO - 43 runs scored

JKID (post-Tiger) at LSKO and JKO combined - 32 runs scored

Did LIU have their worst tourney in years (possibly ever) after adding you?

I'm not sure. If so, it certainly wasn't because of my performance. I'm not sure what my exact stats were, but I can only remember two times where I got out.

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Who are you, Kev?

[Dematas]

Well Kev, you obviously don't have the confidence to bunt with two fouls and you said a #3 kicker needs to be able to bunt and get on if the first 2 kickers get out. And you tried to kick and got out and we all remember what happened in NYC with you up in a big spot kicking.

Yep. Nyc will be in my head forever.

But was not trying for single in 1st. double or nothing

So you were bunting until you got two fouls and then you try and kick for a double or nothing? What if you bunted and got on?

[MEATBALLKEVIN]

Well Kev, you obviously don't have the confidence to bunt with two fouls and you said a #3 kicker needs to be able to bunt and get on if the first 2 kickers get out. And you tried to kick and got out and we all remember what happened in NYC with you up in a big spot kicking.

Yep. Nyc will be in my head forever.

But was not trying for single in 1st. double or nothing

So you were bunting until you got two fouls and then you try and kick for a double or nothing? What if you bunted and got on?

No. I kicked all 3 of those foul. 8 pitches.

[Zak]

JKID (pre-Tiger) at SFKO - 43 runs scored

JKID (post-Tiger) at LSKO and JKO combined - 32 runs scored

Did LIU have their worst tourney in years (possibly ever) after adding you?

At the least 2nd worst, TKO 2009 crushed by the Others 1st round of elimination.

[Dematas]

Well Kev, you obviously don't have the confidence to bunt with two fouls and you said a #3 kicker needs to be able to bunt and get on if the first 2 kickers get out. And you tried to kick and got out and we all remember what happened in NYC with you up in a big spot kicking.

Yep. Nyc will be in my head forever.

But was not trying for single in 1st. double or nothing

So you were bunting until you got two fouls and then you try and kick for a double or nothing? What if you bunted and got on?

No. I kicked all 3 of those foul. 8 pitches.

My bad, just watched again. But you would have taken the walk?

[krabbas]

JKID (pre-Tiger) at SFKO - 43 runs scored

JKID (post-Tiger) at LSKO and JKO combined - 32 runs scored

Did LIU have their worst tourney in years (possibly ever) after adding you?

At the least 2nd worst, TKO 2009 crushed by the Others 1st round of elimination.

Didnt they get beat pretty good in the 1st round of one of the DC tourneys a few years ago too?

[Dematas]

Yeah, I believe it was the tourney right next to where they have the Legg Mason tennis event. And I believe it was a run rule by Meatballs if I am not mistaken.

[krabbas]

Yeah, I believe it was the tourney right next to where they have the Legg Mason tennis event. And I believe it was a run rule by Meatballs if I am not mistaken.

Yeah, that's the one I'm thinking of.

[Zak]

JKID (pre-Tiger) at SFKO - 43 runs scored

JKID (post-Tiger) at LSKO and JKO combined - 32 runs scored

Did LIU have their worst tourney in years (possibly ever) after adding you?

At the least 2nd worst, TKO 2009 crushed by the Others 1st round of elimination.

Didnt they get beat pretty good in the 1st round of one of the DC tourneys a few years ago too?

Pretty sure that was 2nd round of elimination cause it was after The Core mercied 1uck

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[Return of Ctiger]

Look at Jkid's declining offensive stats since Tigger joined. It's no surprise they've been one of the worst offensive teams in kickball in that time. Just because he kicks third doesn't mean he SHOULD kick third. They'd probably be better off with just about anyone else in that position.

For THAT day i think it was a smart move by Simon having him 3 just based on who drove up for them.

But i dont feel he is a full time #3 kicker

#3 kickers need to:

when 1 and 2 get on 3 needs to move them over 100% of the time. NEVER foul out or pop up in that situation.

Can bunt to get on if needed

Can kick if line up rolls over

Smart base runner. knows how to bait the defense in to making a throw or not getting ball back to mound. Knows how to get out on purpose in a productive way.

Can handle pressure. If has a bad at bat gets over it and moves on. Does not have days batting under .600 ever with 100% at sacs when needed.



I dont think Tiger fits that description with his past. He is more of a #9 or 10 guy. All rolls are important and if you are in the top 10 ou most likely kick twice anyway so it doesnt matter when you are up because every at bat for a team in tghe game in key. You just need the right players in the right spots that day

Since on JKID-
5 times I came up with runners on 1st and 2nd, and 5 times I moved them over, including 1 time beating it out as well to load the bases

Am batting just around .700 and have been on base every single game except for against you guys (corey holland)

Only time I really had to kick I drove in a run against Lights out in Austin

Have probably never been on 1st base with a runner on 3rd.. Always know when to go to second, and am a good baserunner

As far as pressure- Against one of the texas teams in Austin we won 2-1 and I drove in one run, and got on to lead off the last inning and scored the eventual winning run. Against Pounders in Jax I lead off the last inning with us down by 1 and scored to tie it up. Against Fully Loaded in our pool play game we were down 4-0 our 2 batter lead off and got on.. I followed that by getting on, and we were a line drive away from the game ending in a tie after putting up 3 in that inning.. Then in our game against them in single elim in the last inning our 2 batter got on, I followed by getting on.. we didn't score, but I did my job.. tell me how I shouldn't be the 3 kicker?

[Trey it Up]

Only getting on base once out of five attempts with runners on 1st and 2nd is pretty terrible.

[Return of Ctiger]

Only getting on base once out of five attempts with runners on 1st and 2nd is pretty terrible.

It means I did my job

[Dematas]

Only getting on base once out of five attempts with runners on 1st and 2nd is pretty terrible.

Trey, when are you going to realize that everyone cannot be as good as you?

[RED]

Look at Jkid's declining offensive stats since Tigger joined. It's no surprise they've been one of the worst offensive teams in kickball in that time. Just because he kicks third doesn't mean he SHOULD kick third. They'd probably be better off with just about anyone else in that position.

For THAT day i think it was a smart move by Simon having him 3 just based on who drove up for them.

But i dont feel he is a full time #3 kicker

#3 kickers need to:

when 1 and 2 get on 3 needs to move them over 100% of the time. NEVER foul out or pop up in that situation.

Can bunt to get on if needed

Can kick if line up rolls over

Smart base runner. knows how to bait the defense in to making a throw or not getting ball back to mound. Knows how to get out on purpose in a productive way.

Can handle pressure. If has a bad at bat gets over it and moves on. Does not have days batting under .600 ever with 100% at sacs when needed.



I dont think Tiger fits that description with his past. He is more of a #9 or 10 guy. All rolls are important and if you are in the top 10 ou most likely kick twice anyway so it doesnt matter when you are up because every at bat for a team in tghe game in key. You just need the right players in the right spots that day

Since on JKID-
5 times I came up with runners on 1st and 2nd, and 5 times I moved them over, including 1 time beating it out as well to load the bases

Am batting just around .700 and have been on base every single game except for against you guys (corey holland)

Only time I really had to kick I drove in a run against Lights out in Austin

Have probably never been on 1st base with a runner on 3rd.. Always know when to go to second, and am a good baserunner

As far as pressure- Against one of the texas teams in Austin we won 2-1 and I drove in one run, and got on to lead off the last inning and scored the eventual winning run. Against Pounders in Jax I lead off the last inning with us down by 1 and scored to tie it up. Against Fully Loaded in our pool play game we were down 4-0 our 2 batter lead off and got on.. I followed that by getting on, and we were a line drive away from the game ending in a tie after putting up 3 in that inning.. Then in our game against them in single elim in the last inning our 2 batter got on, I followed by getting on.. we didn't score, but I did my job.. tell me how I shouldn't be the 3 kicker?

lil tig...
the fact that you have to come on here to justify your play at a position is stupid. the fact that you remember all your stats to come on the BOARDS and justify that you are a GOOD PLAYER shows what kind of teammate you are! who cares if your in the outfield and you catch a ball. who cares if your up and you kick a pop up. YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!!!! nobody cares about your personal stats!! its all about if you win

[Return of Ctiger]

Look at Jkid's declining offensive stats since Tigger joined. It's no surprise they've been one of the worst offensive teams in kickball in that time. Just because he kicks third doesn't mean he SHOULD kick third. They'd probably be better off with just about anyone else in that position.

For THAT day i think it was a smart move by Simon having him 3 just based on who drove up for them.

But i dont feel he is a full time #3 kicker

#3 kickers need to:

when 1 and 2 get on 3 needs to move them over 100% of the time. NEVER foul out or pop up in that situation.

Can bunt to get on if needed

Can kick if line up rolls over

Smart base runner. knows how to bait the defense in to making a throw or not getting ball back to mound. Knows how to get out on purpose in a productive way.

Can handle pressure. If has a bad at bat gets over it and moves on. Does not have days batting under .600 ever with 100% at sacs when needed.



I dont think Tiger fits that description with his past. He is more of a #9 or 10 guy. All rolls are important and if you are in the top 10 ou most likely kick twice anyway so it doesnt matter when you are up because every at bat for a team in tghe game in key. You just need the right players in the right spots that day

Since on JKID-
5 times I came up with runners on 1st and 2nd, and 5 times I moved them over, including 1 time beating it out as well to load the bases

Am batting just around .700 and have been on base every single game except for against you guys (corey holland)

Only time I really had to kick I drove in a run against Lights out in Austin

Have probably never been on 1st base with a runner on 3rd.. Always know when to go to second, and am a good baserunner

As far as pressure- Against one of the texas teams in Austin we won 2-1 and I drove in one run, and got on to lead off the last inning and scored the eventual winning run. Against Pounders in Jax I lead off the last inning with us down by 1 and scored to tie it up. Against Fully Loaded in our pool play game we were down 4-0 our 2 batter lead off and got on.. I followed that by getting on, and we were a line drive away from the game ending in a tie after putting up 3 in that inning.. Then in our game against them in single elim in the last inning our 2 batter got on, I followed by getting on.. we didn't score, but I did my job.. tell me how I shouldn't be the 3 kicker?

lil tig...
the fact that you have to come on here to justify your play at a position is stupid. the fact that you remember all your stats to come on the BOARDS and justify that you are a GOOD PLAYER shows what kind of teammate you are! who cares if your in the outfield and you catch a ball. who cares if your up and you kick a pop up. YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!!!! nobody cares about your personal stats!! its all about if you win

Hey rookie.. i was replying to what was said..

[FlyingV]

Look at Jkid's declining offensive stats since Tigger joined. It's no surprise they've been one of the worst offensive teams in kickball in that time. Just because he kicks third doesn't mean he SHOULD kick third. They'd probably be better off with just about anyone else in that position.

For THAT day i think it was a smart move by Simon having him 3 just based on who drove up for them.

But i dont feel he is a full time #3 kicker

#3 kickers need to:

when 1 and 2 get on 3 needs to move them over 100% of the time. NEVER foul out or pop up in that situation.

Can bunt to get on if needed

Can kick if line up rolls over

Smart base runner. knows how to bait the defense in to making a throw or not getting ball back to mound. Knows how to get out on purpose in a productive way.

Can handle pressure. If has a bad at bat gets over it and moves on. Does not have days batting under .600 ever with 100% at sacs when needed.



I dont think Tiger fits that description with his past. He is more of a #9 or 10 guy. All rolls are important and if you are in the top 10 ou most likely kick twice anyway so it doesnt matter when you are up because every at bat for a team in tghe game in key. You just need the right players in the right spots that day

Since on JKID-
5 times I came up with runners on 1st and 2nd, and 5 times I moved them over, including 1 time beating it out as well to load the bases

Am batting just around .700 and have been on base every single game except for against you guys (corey holland)

Only time I really had to kick I drove in a run against Lights out in Austin

Have probably never been on 1st base with a runner on 3rd.. Always know when to go to second, and am a good baserunner

As far as pressure- Against one of the texas teams in Austin we won 2-1 and I drove in one run, and got on to lead off the last inning and scored the eventual winning run. Against Pounders in Jax I lead off the last inning with us down by 1 and scored to tie it up. Against Fully Loaded in our pool play game we were down 4-0 our 2 batter lead off and got on.. I followed that by getting on, and we were a line drive away from the game ending in a tie after putting up 3 in that inning.. Then in our game against them in single elim in the last inning our 2 batter got on, I followed by getting on.. we didn't score, but I did my job.. tell me how I shouldn't be the 3 kicker?

lil tig...
the fact that you have to come on here to justify your play at a position is stupid. the fact that you remember all your stats to come on the BOARDS and justify that you are a GOOD PLAYER shows what kind of teammate you are! who cares if your in the outfield and you catch a ball. who cares if your up and you kick a pop up. YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!!!! nobody cares about your personal stats!! its all about if you win

We had 3 players bat over .700 in Jax, 1 in Austin and none in Ft. Laudy and we're a much more offensively geared team than y'all. Then again we don't care about stats.

I'm not saying you didn't, but I find it highly doubtful.

[Trey it Up]

Only getting on base once out of five attempts with runners on 1st and 2nd is pretty terrible.

Trey, when are you going to realize that everyone cannot be as good as you?

It amazes me that anyone in the #3 spot can be happy with a .200 OB%. Your #1 goal in that spot is to move the runners over. Your #2 goal is to get on safely. If you don't achieve both of those goals at a bare minimum of 50% of the time, you're NOT a serviceable #3 kicker.

[Duff]

After watching a large amount of past tourneys, I don't think #3 hitters pushing down the 1B line with 2 runners on are getting safely to first 50+ percent of the time, but I never bothered to count...

And the real question is whether JKI has someone that could have done that job better. I doubt their captain would put him in that spot if he thought that was the case.

Pardon me while I punch myself in the groin for defending Tiger.

[Trey it Up]

Panik has never had a #3 kicker go less than .500 with runners on 1st and 2nd. In any tournament. Ever.

[Catch-22]

Panik has never had a #3 kicker go less than .500 with runners on 1st and 2nd. In any tournament. Ever.

Can we get some proof? Can you cite some minimum number of game tapes showing Panik's #3 getting on in this situation?

[btaylor]

Panik has never had a #3 kicker go less than .500 with runners on 1st and 2nd. In any tournament. Ever.

This is a retarded statement. Of course you haven't, they probably go about 1.000. Its either a sac which is not an at bat or they beat the throw out and theyre batting 1.000. The three kickers job isnt to get on base its to move the runners. If he gets on its just icing on the (pool of) cake.

[Duff]

My understanding is that he is counting 'sacs' in that situation as 0-1's, since we are talking about that circumstance in a vacuum.

Otherwise his comment about Tiger makes no sense.

[FlyingV]

Panik has never had a #3 kicker go less than .500 with runners on 1st and 2nd. In any tournament. Ever.

Can we get some proof? Can you cite some minimum number of game tapes showing Panik's #3 getting on in this situation?

Dan is one of the best in the game in the #3 spot. It helps when you're 7 feet down the 1st baseline at almost the same instant you bunt the ball... I'd be shocked if there was a tournament he batted under .500 (and that includes counting a sac as 0-1)

[kwido03]

Conversation I overheard before we decided to put Tiger at 3rd kicking...


Jon Simon: No, he’s a special player... He’s called Corey Tiger by many. He’s been kicked off nine teams... But he is made with real tiger, so you know he’s good.
Tiger: I’m quite a bunter.
John Simon: Oh yeah.
Tiger: I just want to move the runner for you and I am nasty, In a good way.
Jon Simon: OK
Tiger: They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time, I get on or move the runner every time.
Jon Simon: That doesn't make sense but you are kicking 3rd!

[Catch-22]

Panik has never had a #3 kicker go less than .500 with runners on 1st and 2nd. In any tournament. Ever.

Can we get some proof? Can you cite some minimum number of game tapes showing Panik's #3 getting on in this situation?

Dan is one of the best in the game in the #3 spot. It helps when you're 7 feet down the 1st baseline at almost the same instant you bunt the ball... I'd be shocked if there was a tournament he batted under .500 (and that includes counting a sac as 0-1)

Dan's fantastic. I'm sure he kicks better than .500 overall. But Trey said their #3 kicks better than .500 with runners on 1 and 2.

[Trey it Up]

Panik has never had a #3 kicker go less than .500 with runners on 1st and 2nd. In any tournament. Ever.

Can we get some proof? Can you cite some minimum number of game tapes showing Panik's #3 getting on in this situation?

Dan is one of the best in the game in the #3 spot. It helps when you're 7 feet down the 1st baseline at almost the same instant you bunt the ball... I'd be shocked if there was a tournament he batted under .500 (and that includes counting a sac as 0-1)

Dan's fantastic. I'm sure he kicks better than .500 overall. But Trey said their #3 kicks better than .500 with runners on 1 and 2.

You have access to every Panik video the rest of us do. It should be easy to disprove that our #3 kickers go under.500 with runners on 1st and 2nd in recorded games (mostly semis and finals). I'd be shocked if you could prove we go less than .500 in finals and semis. Our average is much, much better in pool play and early elimination.

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[FlyingV]

Panik has never had a #3 kicker go less than .500 with runners on 1st and 2nd. In any tournament. Ever.

Can we get some proof? Can you cite some minimum number of game tapes showing Panik's #3 getting on in this situation?

Dan is one of the best in the game in the #3 spot. It helps when you're 7 feet down the 1st baseline at almost the same instant you bunt the ball... I'd be shocked if there was a tournament he batted under .500 (and that includes counting a sac as 0-1)

Dan's fantastic. I'm sure he kicks better than .500 overall. But Trey said their #3 kicks better than .500 with runners on 1 and 2.

That could be a fairly small sample size, but without any stats in front of me I'd still have to say Trey is probably right. Dan is a machine at any time he's up to bat, regardless of who's on base.

There are a few things constant with Panik- Tyler leading off, Dan batting #3 and McCoy batting 5th. They usually fill in the #2 and #4 spot with whoever comes, but those (3) spots rarely change.

[Trey it Up]

That could be a fairly small sample size, but without any stats in front of me I'd still have to say Trey is probably right. Dan is a machine at any time he's up to bat, regardless of who's on base.

There are a few things constant with Panik- Tyler leading off, Dan batting #3 and McCoy batting 5th. They usually fill in the #2 and #4 spot with whoever comes, but those (3) spots rarely change.

Actually, the top of our order is pretty consistent:

1. Tyler
2. Dan/Someone else
3. Trey/Dan
4. Trey/Youhas

After that, we fill in our kickers with whoever comes.

It's rare that we have anyone as good or better than Dan at the #2 spot so that's where he kicks most tournaments. On the two occasions that we had a solid #2, Dan moved to #3 and I moved to #4.

[Catch-22]

Panik has never had a #3 kicker go less than .500 with runners on 1st and 2nd. In any tournament. Ever.

Can we get some proof? Can you cite some minimum number of game tapes showing Panik's #3 getting on in this situation?

Dan is one of the best in the game in the #3 spot. It helps when you're 7 feet down the 1st baseline at almost the same instant you bunt the ball... I'd be shocked if there was a tournament he batted under .500 (and that includes counting a sac as 0-1)

Dan's fantastic. I'm sure he kicks better than .500 overall. But Trey said their #3 kicks better than .500 with runners on 1 and 2.

You have access to every Panik video the rest of us do. It should be easy to disprove that our #3 kickers go under.500 with runners on 1st and 2nd in recorded games (mostly semis and finals). I'd be shocked if you could prove we go less than .500 in finals and semis. Our average is much, much better in pool play and early elimination.

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I don't have to disprove anything. There's a presumption on this message board that any claim you make is false unless you can prove otherwise. You lost the privilege that others on the message board have of "getting the benefit of the doubt" like 3 years ago when everyone stopped believing anything you say. You're offering no evidence to support your claims, so what you said stays classified as BS.

[Trey it Up]

And you practice law by the same "guilty until proven innocent" approach? Or are you not practicing law yet? Doesn't the University of Phoenix law program teach you better?

[Trey it Up]

How's this for a challenge. I challenge you to find one video where Panik had 1st and 2nd and the #3 got out. Even a novice interneter such as yourself should be able to quickly provide copious amounts of evidence for that, right?

[Duff]

And you practice law by the same "guilty until proven innocent" approach? Or are you not practicing law yet? Doesn't the University of Phoenix law program teach you better?

Technically, your claim would need to be proven, not vice-versa, since you're the one that made it. Your analogy is flawed.

Not a ton of video on Panik Attack on YouTube surprisingly (SFKO, NY, Atlanta...).

[McNugget]

How's this for a challenge. I challenge you to find one video where Panik had 1st and 2nd and the #3 got out. Even a novice interneter such as yourself should be able to quickly provide copious amounts of evidence for that, right?

I got bored and spot checked the first inning of Panik games on YouTube. In the 3 championship games from last year (NYC, SFKO, and GKO) there werent any where the #1 and #2 both got on in the first inning so I stopped watching right there. I guess since the #1 or #2 or both got out Trey is right that there is no evidence of Panik's #3 ever getting out with runners on first and second.

However the top 2 did get on at GKO against Dirty South Crunkball and in the 3 spot Dan kicked a grounder to shortstop and got on while the runners safely moved over.

[Duff]

In GKO (the second time around the lineup) Dan got on also on a close play.

Redundant lesson learned: Dan is fast, tall, and can leap baselines in a single bound.

[FlyingV]

In GKO (the second time around the lineup) Dan got on also on a close play.

Redundant lesson learned: Dan is fast, tall, and can leap baselines in a single bound.

And Trey is right...

[Duff]

In GKO (the second time around the lineup) Dan got on also on a close play.

Redundant lesson learned: Dan is fast, tall, and can leap baselines in a single bound.

And Trey is right...

Ha, well technically no one (and I'm going to assume this includes Trey) knows if Trey is right because no one has footage from every Panik Attack game to verify.

But is there a specific case in the three games available to view? No, which I'm going to be somewhat skeptical and assume Trey verified before issuing the 'challenge'. But that's only because that's what I would do.