Because its been a while...

[FlyingV]

One bounce is a bad idea to everyone except for people who play the pitcher position. Trust me. There is no one who is coming away from a Circuit tournament saying, "You know, that was ok. I just wish the pitching was more difficult. Way too easy to kick!" Pointless rule change with very little demand. But, whatever...

Welcome back, jcast!

Couldn't agree more.

There's still time to talk to the folks running the tournament. Hopefully the majority will get the tournament they want in VB. Can we put it to a vote?

We vote for 2 bounce. I'll guarantee a team for 2 bouncies, but will take our talents to Boston otherwise.

Can't hack it in 1 bounce ?

Don't know, never tried. Don't see how it will help anyone in preparation for CC.

[Dematas]

One tourney is going to mess up any teams prep for CC ?

[Trey it Up]

One bounce is a bad idea to everyone except for people who play the pitcher position. Trust me. There is no one who is coming away from a Circuit tournament saying, "You know, that was ok. I just wish the pitching was more difficult. Way too easy to kick!" Pointless rule change with very little demand. But, whatever...

Welcome back, jcast!

Couldn't agree more.

There's still time to talk to the folks running the tournament. Hopefully the majority will get the tournament they want in VB. Can we put it to a vote?

We vote for 2 bounce. I'll guarantee a team for 2 bouncies, but will take our talents to Boston otherwise.

Can't hack it in 1 bounce ?

Don't know, never tried. Don't see how it will help anyone in preparation for CC.

It will actually help a whole lot. If you can kick/bunt 1-bounce, even the best 2-bounce pitchers in the country will seem easy in New Orleans.

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[Typod]

A 2-1 game with great defense is awesome. One where the kickers are guaranteed to foul out almost every time is not.

[krabbas]

It's not a matter if being "scared" of 1 bounce. It's a matter of preference. 2 bounce pitching rules make for a better overall quality of kickball.

[Dematas]

A 2-1 game with great defense is awesome. One where the kickers are guaranteed to foul out almost every time is not.

That mean you believe Trey?

[Dematas]

It's not a matter if being "scared" of 1 bounce. It's a matter of preference. 2 bounce pitching rules make for a better overall quality of kickball.

You can think that all you want, but I don't believe that to be true.

[2_easy]

1 bounce, 2 bounce. Whatever. I don't know anyone personally that has quit the sport because of the rule changes. Everyone that shares the passion we all do, adapt to whatever is thrown at them and push forward.

HW is and always will be a foundation to fundamentals. I wish I had the Honor to play them. Instead, I will just have to beat the shit out of each and every HW player on their current team.

[Typod]

A 2-1 game with great defense is awesome. One where the kickers are guaranteed to foul out almost every time is not.

That mean you believe Trey?

No, but his guarantee is pretty funny.

Can't wait to see all the lead off guys foul out almost every time.

Anyone who played in the one bounce WAKA days knows it's really not all that different

[Catch-22]

I started playing kickball in 2008 when it was still one bounce. It's harder on offense but not anything crazy. But, I just don't see the point in changing the rules for one tournament. In tennis, they don't allow an extra fault on a player's serve at the Australian Open or something. It's weird to have ~16 tournaments in the Circuit under one set of rules and 1 tournament using different rules.

[Festa]

[Trey it Up]

I started playing kickball in 2008 when it was still one bounce. It's harder on offense but not anything crazy. But, I just don't see the point in changing the rules for one tournament. In tennis, they don't allow an extra fault on a player's serve at the Australian Open or something. It's weird to have ~16 tournaments in the Circuit under one set of rules and 1 tournament using different rules.

1-Bounce = Singles Tennis
2-Bounce = Doubles Tennis

[JellyDogg]

1-bounce is great practice for CC. It still bounces. It still has to follow the same strike zone rules as 2-bounce. It's just that the pitch is coming in faster. You'll learn to pick up the spin of the pitch better, you'll learn quicker reaction times to kick, you'll learn better foot-eye coordination. You may struggle at it initially, but it will make you a better offensive player when you go back to 2-bounce, guaranteed.

Don't buy into the "every game will be 1-0" hype. Runs will still score. I doubt you'll see many blowouts/mercy-rule games, though.

[jCast]

Thanks Phil! I'm doing well and in the final stages of my divorce, so I'm happier than I've been in a long while. I'm looking forward to seeing you and everyone.

Not digging on VBKO but get your asses to Boston Flying V!
You guys are a good time and we love you. (we being lots of people besides Miguel).

J-Cast - I definitely miss you. How the hell are you?

[Dematas]

I started playing kickball in 2008 when it was still one bounce. It's harder on offense but not anything crazy. But, I just don't see the point in changing the rules for one tournament. In tennis, they don't allow an extra fault on a player's serve at the Australian Open or something. It's weird to have ~16 tournaments in the Circuit under one set of rules and 1 tournament using different rules.

It is in the rules for the circuit to have this option. It is not in the rules in tennis to do that. Usually you are pretty good, but this argument, not so much.

[JellyDogg]

I started playing kickball in 2008 when it was still one bounce. It's harder on offense but not anything crazy. But, I just don't see the point in changing the rules for one tournament. In tennis, they don't allow an extra fault on a player's serve at the Australian Open or something. It's weird to have ~16 tournaments in the Circuit under one set of rules and 1 tournament using different rules.

It is in the rules for the circuit to have this option. It is not in the rules in tennis to do that. Usually you are pretty good, but this argument, not so much.

It's more like in baseball where a team can play 150 games a year using a DH, but for a dozen games or so in interleague play, the pitcher has to hit.

[Dematas]

I started playing kickball in 2008 when it was still one bounce. It's harder on offense but not anything crazy. But, I just don't see the point in changing the rules for one tournament. In tennis, they don't allow an extra fault on a player's serve at the Australian Open or something. It's weird to have ~16 tournaments in the Circuit under one set of rules and 1 tournament using different rules.

It is in the rules for the circuit to have this option. It is not in the rules in tennis to do that. Usually you are pretty good, but this argument, not so much.

It's more like in baseball where a team can play 150 games a year using a DH, but for a dozen games or so in interleague play, the pitcher has to hit.

Yeah, def. Or in boxing, they have diff size rings and diff gloves for each bout.

[flades]

1-bounce is great practice for CC. It still bounces. It still has to follow the same strike zone rules as 2-bounce. It's just that the pitch is coming in faster. You'll learn to pick up the spin of the pitch better, you'll learn quicker reaction times to kick, you'll learn better foot-eye coordination. You may struggle at it initially, but it will make you a better offensive player when you go back to 2-bounce, guaranteed.

Don't buy into the "every game will be 1-0" hype. Runs will still score. I doubt you'll see many blowouts/mercy-rule games, though.

I completely disagree with this. Kicking a 2 bounce pitch is an entirely different rhythm from kicking 1 bounce and I don't think facing one bounce will make you automatically better in 2 bounce.

I played a year and a half of one bounce kickball before the switch was made in 2009. As a pitcher for that year and a half I was not happy about it initially but it did not take long at all for me to realize that the rule change would lead to more exciting games with more offense. It is simple science that the 2nd bounce slows the pitch down and makes it easier to kick. In fact, I am pretty sure that the first game we played (Riff Raff) with 2 bounce was the highest scoring game we had up to that point.

I would think it might be a good idea for the organizers of the VBKO to get a really good idea of what the kickball community (not the kickball 365 community) thinks about the idea of having a 1 bounce tournament. Maybe they have done this already and I am just wrong, but my feeling is that the majority would not be interested. I know that personally I would not want to travel to a tournament to compete with rules I feel will provide for an inferior game experience. I want this tournament, like every other tournament, to be a successful as possible!

And Dematas I am not scared of bunting off of 1 bounce pitching so don't come at me with that nonsense! Love you

[JimmyB]

Yeah, def. Or in boxing, they have diff size rings and diff gloves for each bout.

That's the equivalent of using a different ball for different events, or different dimensions. JD had it right. You, not so much.

[Catch-22]

I started playing kickball in 2008 when it was still one bounce. It's harder on offense but not anything crazy. But, I just don't see the point in changing the rules for one tournament. In tennis, they don't allow an extra fault on a player's serve at the Australian Open or something. It's weird to have ~16 tournaments in the Circuit under one set of rules and 1 tournament using different rules.

It is in the rules for the circuit to have this option. It is not in the rules in tennis to do that. Usually you are pretty good, but this argument, not so much.

I know it's allowed in the rulebook. My point was more that it doesn't make much sense to me for the Circuit to do ~16 tournaments using the same exact rules and 1 tournament using a different set. Is there really that strong a demand for one bounce kickball? Sounds like VBKO is losing teams over this decision.

[Dematas]

Yeah, def. Or in boxing, they have diff size rings and diff gloves for each bout.

That's the equivalent of using a different ball for different events, or different dimensions. JD had it right. You, not so much.

Ok, fair enough. I just meant it is within the scope of rules and whatnot.

[Dematas]

I started playing kickball in 2008 when it was still one bounce. It's harder on offense but not anything crazy. But, I just don't see the point in changing the rules for one tournament. In tennis, they don't allow an extra fault on a player's serve at the Australian Open or something. It's weird to have ~16 tournaments in the Circuit under one set of rules and 1 tournament using different rules.

It is in the rules for the circuit to have this option. It is not in the rules in tennis to do that. Usually you are pretty good, but this argument, not so much.

I know it's allowed in the rulebook. My point was more that it doesn't make much sense to me for the Circuit to do ~16 tournaments using the same exact rules and 1 tournament using a different set. Is there really that strong a demand for one bounce kickball? Sounds like VBKO is losing teams over this decision.

Gotcha, do we even know why they are doing it?

[Dematas]

1-bounce is great practice for CC. It still bounces. It still has to follow the same strike zone rules as 2-bounce. It's just that the pitch is coming in faster. You'll learn to pick up the spin of the pitch better, you'll learn quicker reaction times to kick, you'll learn better foot-eye coordination. You may struggle at it initially, but it will make you a better offensive player when you go back to 2-bounce, guaranteed.

Don't buy into the "every game will be 1-0" hype. Runs will still score. I doubt you'll see many blowouts/mercy-rule games, though.

I completely disagree with this. Kicking a 2 bounce pitch is an entirely different rhythm from kicking 1 bounce and I don't think facing one bounce will make you automatically better in 2 bounce.

I played a year and a half of one bounce kickball before the switch was made in 2009. As a pitcher for that year and a half I was not happy about it initially but it did not take long at all for me to realize that the rule change would lead to more exciting games with more offense. It is simple science that the 2nd bounce slows the pitch down and makes it easier to kick. In fact, I am pretty sure that the first game we played (Riff Raff) with 2 bounce was the highest scoring game we had up to that point.

I would think it might be a good idea for the organizers of the VBKO to get a really good idea of what the kickball community (not the kickball 365 community) thinks about the idea of having a 1 bounce tournament. Maybe they have done this already and I am just wrong, but my feeling is that the majority would not be interested. I know that personally I would not want to travel to a tournament to compete with rules I feel will provide for an inferior game experience. I want this tournament, like every other tournament, to be a successful as possible!

And Dematas I am not scared of bunting off of 1 bounce pitching so don't come at me with that nonsense! Love you

Robert Flader, secretly, the Saltiest of all Meatballs. Man, stick to what you are good at, striking. Vamos!!!!!!!!!!!!

[flades]

I have been really salty lately huh

[Dematas]

I have been really salty lately huh

Yeah and I love it. Wait until my tennis game gets to your level and I beat your ass. That day will come, one day Flades. VAMOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MEATBALLKEVIN]

I started my kb travel career in 2008 during 1 bounce, started playing in league in 06 w 1 bounce. I think you all are making a big deal out of it. Its ONE event out of a shit load. Why not have it in VB? VB was put on the map in KB cause of what they did in 1 bounce events in the past?

You all realize your pitcher does not have to throw with 1 bounce, right?

If you think it is going to hurt you for an event 2 months later thats just retarded. if you are on a team that goes to the finals the MOST a person would probably buynt is 12 times or so. Maybe 16 at bats total. You can get 16 at bats in at a practice after in a matter of minutes. My point is, timing will not be thrown off.

Im really not gonna get in to all this again. I think the event manager needs to find out who will come regardless. Who will for 1 bounce only and who will for 2 bounce only. And then do what is right for the event.

Ill say this. I did not plan on putting my team in an event after dc /before CC. But 1 bounce caught my attention

[The Scorekeeper]

I started my kb travel career in 2008 during 1 bounce, started playing in league in 06 w 1 bounce. I think you all are making a big deal out of it. Its ONE event out of a shit load. Why not have it in VB? VB was put on the map in KB cause of what they did in 1 bounce events in the past?

You all realize your pitcher does not have to throw with 1 bounce, right?

If you think it is going to hurt you for an event 2 months later thats just retarded. if you are on a team that goes to the finals the MOST a person would probably buynt is 12 times or so. Maybe 16 at bats total. You can get 16 at bats in at a practice after in a matter of minutes. My point is, timing will not be thrown off.

Im really not gonna get in to all this again. I think the event manager needs to find out who will come regardless. Who will for 1 bounce only and who will for 2 bounce only. And then do what is right for the event.

Ill say this. I did not plan on putting my team in an event after dc /before CC. But 1 bounce caught my attention

fwiw, brick is the ONLY captain that has said they absolutely will not attend because it is 1-bounce. every other captain we've spoken with said they're coming either way, and a few have even said, like you, they weren't planning on attending but now that it's 1-bounce, they just might.

[Catch-22]

I started my kb travel career in 2008 during 1 bounce, started playing in league in 06 w 1 bounce. I think you all are making a big deal out of it. Its ONE event out of a shit load. Why not have it in VB? VB was put on the map in KB cause of what they did in 1 bounce events in the past?

You all realize your pitcher does not have to throw with 1 bounce, right?

If you think it is going to hurt you for an event 2 months later thats just retarded. if you are on a team that goes to the finals the MOST a person would probably buynt is 12 times or so. Maybe 16 at bats total. You can get 16 at bats in at a practice after in a matter of minutes. My point is, timing will not be thrown off.

Im really not gonna get in to all this again. I think the event manager needs to find out who will come regardless. Who will for 1 bounce only and who will for 2 bounce only. And then do what is right for the event.

Ill say this. I did not plan on putting my team in an event after dc /before CC. But 1 bounce caught my attention

fwiw, brick is the ONLY captain that has said they absolutely will not attend because it is 1-bounce. every other captain we've spoken with said they're coming either way, and a few have even said, like you, they weren't planning on attending but now that it's 1-bounce, they just might.

If that's the case, more power to VBKO.

[JellyDogg]

1-bounce is great practice for CC. It still bounces. It still has to follow the same strike zone rules as 2-bounce. It's just that the pitch is coming in faster. You'll learn to pick up the spin of the pitch better, you'll learn quicker reaction times to kick, you'll learn better foot-eye coordination. You may struggle at it initially, but it will make you a better offensive player when you go back to 2-bounce, guaranteed.

Don't buy into the "every game will be 1-0" hype. Runs will still score. I doubt you'll see many blowouts/mercy-rule games, though.

I completely disagree with this. Kicking a 2 bounce pitch is an entirely different rhythm from kicking 1 bounce and I don't think facing one bounce will make you automatically better in 2 bounce.

I played a year and a half of one bounce kickball before the switch was made in 2009. As a pitcher for that year and a half I was not happy about it initially but it did not take long at all for me to realize that the rule change would lead to more exciting games with more offense. It is simple science that the 2nd bounce slows the pitch down and makes it easier to kick. In fact, I am pretty sure that the first game we played (Riff Raff) with 2 bounce was the highest scoring game we had up to that point.

I would think it might be a good idea for the organizers of the VBKO to get a really good idea of what the kickball community (not the kickball 365 community) thinks about the idea of having a 1 bounce tournament. Maybe they have done this already and I am just wrong, but my feeling is that the majority would not be interested. I know that personally I would not want to travel to a tournament to compete with rules I feel will provide for an inferior game experience. I want this tournament, like every other tournament, to be a successful as possible!

And Dematas I am not scared of bunting off of 1 bounce pitching so don't come at me with that nonsense! Love you

I like how you start off in disagreement, then pretty much prove my point in your 2nd paragraph.

[kim dude]

I started my kb travel career in 2008 during 1 bounce, started playing in league in 06 w 1 bounce. I think you all are making a big deal out of it. Its ONE event out of a shit load. Why not have it in VB? VB was put on the map in KB cause of what they did in 1 bounce events in the past?

You all realize your pitcher does not have to throw with 1 bounce, right?

If you think it is going to hurt you for an event 2 months later thats just retarded. if you are on a team that goes to the finals the MOST a person would probably buynt is 12 times or so. Maybe 16 at bats total. You can get 16 at bats in at a practice after in a matter of minutes. My point is, timing will not be thrown off.

Im really not gonna get in to all this again. I think the event manager needs to find out who will come regardless. Who will for 1 bounce only and who will for 2 bounce only. And then do what is right for the event.

Ill say this. I did not plan on putting my team in an event after dc /before CC. But 1 bounce caught my attention

fwiw, brick is the ONLY captain that has said they absolutely will not attend because it is 1-bounce. every other captain we've spoken with said they're coming either way, and a few have even said, like you, they weren't planning on attending but now that it's 1-bounce, they just might.

pretty sure we would not be going if it were not our local tourney

[krabbas]

You all realize your pitcher does not have to throw with 1 bounce, right?

Yes, but the kickers don't have the option of requesting a 2 bounce pitch.

If you think it is going to hurt you for an event 2 months later thats just retarded. if you are on a team that goes to the finals the MOST a person would probably buynt is 12 times or so. Maybe 16 at bats total. You can get 16 at bats in at a practice after in a matter of minutes. My point is, timing will not be thrown off.

It's more than just the 8-16 at bats in the tourney. What about the 4-6 weeks of practice leading up to the event?

Im really not gonna get in to all this again. I think the event manager needs to find out who will come regardless. Who will for 1 bounce only and who will for 2 bounce only. And then do what is right for the event.

I do agree with this completely. The feedback of the consumer should be taken into account. Instead, I suspect that there is a small vocal minority of players (mostly pitchers) that are in the event manager's ear, influencing them to do this. My feeling is that the nostalgia for 1 bounce is greatly overestimated.

[krabbas]

I started my kb travel career in 2008 during 1 bounce, started playing in league in 06 w 1 bounce. I think you all are making a big deal out of it. Its ONE event out of a shit load. Why not have it in VB? VB was put on the map in KB cause of what they did in 1 bounce events in the past?

You all realize your pitcher does not have to throw with 1 bounce, right?

If you think it is going to hurt you for an event 2 months later thats just retarded. if you are on a team that goes to the finals the MOST a person would probably buynt is 12 times or so. Maybe 16 at bats total. You can get 16 at bats in at a practice after in a matter of minutes. My point is, timing will not be thrown off.

Im really not gonna get in to all this again. I think the event manager needs to find out who will come regardless. Who will for 1 bounce only and who will for 2 bounce only. And then do what is right for the event.

Ill say this. I did not plan on putting my team in an event after dc /before CC. But 1 bounce caught my attention

fwiw, brick is the ONLY captain that has said they absolutely will not attend because it is 1-bounce. every other captain we've spoken with said they're coming either way, and a few have even said, like you, they weren't planning on attending but now that it's 1-bounce, they just might.

pretty sure we would not be going if it were not our local tourney

Our personal preferences shouldn't be taken into consideration because we'll be there regardless, right? Talk about feeling like a valued customer!

[FlyingV]

I started my kb travel career in 2008 during 1 bounce, started playing in league in 06 w 1 bounce. I think you all are making a big deal out of it. Its ONE event out of a shit load. Why not have it in VB? VB was put on the map in KB cause of what they did in 1 bounce events in the past?

You all realize your pitcher does not have to throw with 1 bounce, right?

If you think it is going to hurt you for an event 2 months later thats just retarded. if you are on a team that goes to the finals the MOST a person would probably buynt is 12 times or so. Maybe 16 at bats total. You can get 16 at bats in at a practice after in a matter of minutes. My point is, timing will not be thrown off.

Im really not gonna get in to all this again. I think the event manager needs to find out who will come regardless. Who will for 1 bounce only and who will for 2 bounce only. And then do what is right for the event.

Ill say this. I did not plan on putting my team in an event after dc /before CC. But 1 bounce caught my attention

fwiw, brick is the ONLY captain that has said they absolutely will not attend because it is 1-bounce. every other captain we've spoken with said they're coming either way, and a few have even said, like you, they weren't planning on attending but now that it's 1-bounce, they just might.

If that's the case, more power to VBKO.

How many teams have said they're coming solely b/c this is a 1 bounce event?

[Duff]

The 1 bounce tourney highlight footage that Oakley posted was full of people pitching slow and using a lot of 2 bounce anyway, which surprised me. I assumed everyone was just aiming for the front of the plate and throwing the s*** out of the ball. Is that not usually the case? Maybe the talent level was a few steps below back then.

[Dematas]

The 1 bounce tourney highlight footage that Oakley posted was full of people pitching slow and using a lot of 2 bounce anyway, which surprised me. I assumed everyone was just aiming for the front of the plate and throwing the s*** out of the ball. Is that not usually the case? Maybe the talent level was a few steps below back then.

That's what I tried to do.

[dp3]

Maybe the talent level was a few steps below back then.

This was my thought too, although if you listen to the message board, kickballers back then were genetically superior and anyone who came after the switch could never possibly be good.

[Trey it Up]

Duff, in the 1-bounce era you had spin pitchers and power pitchers. The spin pitchers pitched 2-bounce because most of the bite of a spin pitch is on the 2nd bounce. The power pitchers aimed at the front of the plate so the kicker had to kick a ball on the rise.

There's a lot more talent in kickball today, but today's stud pitchers were even better in the 1-bounce era. Not every team had a stud pitcher, which made those without whine about how the game wasn't fair.

[Kickbot]

Maybe the talent level was a few steps below back then.

This was my thought too, although if you listen to the message board, kickballers back then were genetically superior and anyone who came after the switch could never possibly be good.

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[Typod]

One bounce on dirt was harder as the bounce was truer and you could just hammer the few inches in front of the plate and made kickers kick tough pitches.

I would never guarantee that the nations better leadoff kickers would foul out almost every at bat, or anything that extreme but it was tough.

But nothing you couldn't adjust to.

[Kickbot]

Aww yeah! Once bounce! You all suck!

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